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Jodie to win!


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LOL!!

I've held off during the series as there are so many strong views regarding these programmes that it gets quite tiring!

Are you "anonymous"? LOL!

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No, my first post was number 2 and there was a photo and name when I first responded it vanished later, so if you know who you are........


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Alan Brent
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Sarah, I'm with you all the way!


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Re money. The last I heard (and I am the first to acknowledge that this may be wrong) Connie fisher was on on £10,000 per week and her understudy £3,000 per week for The Sound Of Music....


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Alan Brent
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Wow! I wish I had your sources, Elisabeth!


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I think thats probably about right for the names putting the bums on seats.

The rest of the cast, particularly the ensemble, weren't paid nearly so well!

It has got the stage now, where I wouldn't be able to afford to work on a lot of the musicals in the West End so I don't bother applying for them or auditioning for them, and haven't done for some time.

Musical Theatre is such an intensive and expensive profession to be successful at, that my personal experience is that as I couldn't live on what a lot of them pay, and as the ones that pay well, you will notice the females rarely leave at cast change time, the opportunities for a female to work in a West End Musical and live are so few and far between, I don't bother any more. Its mostly down to economics.

I have many many friends working in Musical Theatre, and my female friends are mostly supported by their husband or boyfriend when they are out of work and supplemented by them when they are in work, with the exception of one who is in a well paid musical and isn't leaving unless they either close (which they won't) or they decide to kick her out. She can't afford to leave as she is single.

End of!

Lets hope Equity win the cause on the minimum pay.

I also know a considerable number of people (male and female) who only work on tour as they make more money out of a tour than they do in the West End.

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Thought I'd better add my comments to this after starting the big discussion about whether to audition for this one all those months back...
I've always been with Sarah on this topic, as it at least gives us lowly "nobodies" a chance to earn a decent West End wage without taking work outside the profession. Connie's had some decent acting jobs too.
I was backing Jodie when I got a chance to watch it- (Not often as I gig most weekends these days)and I would say that she was the only one that seemed to fill the original "strict" brief. 18 year olds? Tiny little waifs? I heard several fantastic voices (besides my own of course!)that day that didn't get past the first audition and the excuse was the the brief was extremely narrow. Sounds like they actually wanted the opposite- lots of different types, (not all suitable in my opinion) and many, many accents (DON'T get me started on THAT...!)
So at the end of this I'm confused! But if we knew what casting directors were thinking we'd all be in work right now I suppose!
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Here Here shinything!

Fab summary!

I was also just thinking that I may have been negative about Jodie - I wish her very well, as I do all the girls, and she is a prime example of someone who probably wouldn't have been seen by the casting directors for this role.

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quoting Sarah T's post halfway through page 2...

"And here's what I think...They're all rubbish!!!!!

Yes they may have a half decent voice and can carry a tune, but so can millions of other people. For me they don't have 'IT'"

...makes me want to say this: The whole concept of these 'find a theatre-star' show's is innately flawed. How many of you haven't had a stage performance recorded for posterity, and found a good, even great piece of Theatre trasformed into something trite and lifeless?
Ok, so the beeb have lots of clever camera and lighting men and producers, BUT essentially, the voting audience - unless they've been live in the studio - are actually basing their opinion on a medium entirely unsuitable for conveying theatrical performance. (by contrast, take a great tv performance, put it on stage, and 99 times out of 100, that won't translate either)

You gotta laugh...!

(all that aside though, I'm with other sarah that an opportunity is an opportunity, and well done to everyone involved!)


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Lee Ravitz
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Yes, musical theatre is not my field, and I don't wish to engage in the ins and outs of the final casting, and its suitability (which I will leave to CCP experts!). But as regards the way the TV show *itself* was 'cast' - clearly, what they were looking for was contrast in look, human interest stories, a certain degree of ethnic preference, a smattering of underdogs/sob stories, and so on. Essentially, the show functions only as 50% a singing contest that individuals tune into to hear; the remaining 50% of the show (and virtually *all* of the news and media coverage) focuses exclusively on the 'drama', which is created on the basis of the personalities/ backgrounds that have been selected to take part. This is, basically, what conditions viewer reaction to performance (particularly because the public perception of what good musical theatre skils actually are is seriously lacking), so, the viewers end up rooting for certain performers because they grow conditioned to see them as 'such and such a type'. This much is obvious. The original auditions would have been concerned primarily with selecting those who would make the best television from amongst the applicants, which is what I think we said all along.

It is interesting, in my opinion, that there seems to have been some clear articulation by Lloyd Webber that he wanted Jessie to win, and that he was essentially unhappy with Jodie's success. Nonetheless, he acknowledged that she had been voted in by 'the public'. Consequently, he is assured of significant ticket sales in the near future but will, I have no doubt, for reasons of aesthetic preference, limit contracts to suit his own desired casting over the long run. The implication is clear that Lloyd Webber etc. did not feel that Jodie was ideal West End material themselves, but they appreciate that the win of an 'ordinary' woman, who was selected to take part because her story is one of struggle with weight problems, domestic issues, issues of age etc. that will hold resonance for thousands of 'ordinary' people up and down the country, is a guaranteed ticket seller. Jodie won, in other words, precisely *because* she is an undertrained talent. The story the public would always prefer to hear is that anyone can become famous overnight rather than spending years toiling anonymously in the vineyard for decades without money and/or recognition, regardless of actual skill. They sometimes feel insulted to realise someone has actually worked for years at a given profession, and not yet succeeded in it (which they frequently equate with a form of 'unfair advantage'). It's all based on totally faulty appraisals of what makes good or bad theatre, but Lloyd Webber etc., of course, know this full well - they justify it by veiling it under the rubric of 'popular voting'. As has been pointed out in another context, no one is risking the chance that the ensemble etc. are not fully trained and highly proficient - they'd be fools to - so, it's always one rule for the 'glamourous' star and another for the vital cogs that hold the show together!


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Poor Cameron: don't think he'll ever allow a show of his to be cast by the public again! He was clearly mortified to realise that the decision was out of his hands and that the right actor for the job had been denied him.
I didn't watch much of the series but thought there was absolutely no doubt that Jessie should win, having watched a bit of the final. I expect she might turn up in the role before too long!
Cam Mac is not the most successful theatrical impressario in the world for nothing: he knows when he comes across quality. I think the format of allowing the public to cast leading roles is conpletely ludicrous - what do they know?
These shows - Maria, Joseph, Nancy etc - are an utterly shameless publicity machine; I appreciate that the great British public find them compelling and of course, the shameless pubilicity actually works very well but, as with any reality show that deals with artistic endeavours in areas that lay-folk no NOTHING about - especially classical singing and proper acting - it is disastrous to turn to them for judgement.
Hey-ho, what do I know?
I guess we just have to hope that quality will always win out in the end.
And then that gets me on to drama schools and the sad fact that they are mostly not teaching very well anyway so where is this 'quality' going to spring from these days? Almost without exception, drama students are not being taught how to act anymore. Or to sing, to be honest. Everybody is making this forced belty noise now; they sound dreadful...and they all sound the same! The big musicals are full of ensemble performers who force their singing and so I'm not interested in listening to them and then they can't act so I'm not even interested in watching them.
It's a desperate situation.
Sorry, I've turned my first ever contribution to this green room thing into a different subject from the one I came in on! Anyhoo, I would be interested to hear any comments in response to my posting.
Good wishes to all!


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Steve,

Im a singing teacher as wella s an actor and have to say I agree with you. I dont like the generic sound that is made, although it does have its place, and yet when I teach i have to get students to do these sounds or else they will get culled after the second recall!!!!

Musical theatre is going pop nowadays and the sound is pretty much a twangy belt. This is a style and should be a preferred choice, not a constant, but I also have to say that three years in dramamscholl cannot really gve you an instrument able to do eight shows a week. It is said that its takes about seven years to train an opera singer to just be competent.

In MT, thdere is too much pressure to do all things and not specialise and be great at one or two things. I can sing rock and pop and can even do rock screams, but its not what I am ultimatey comfortable with.

The reality shows are in turn fed by actors with a sense of neediness and desperation to gte on stage- even Elaine Paige was quoted as saying that most industry professionals look down on them.

Still, I do think it does give MT performers a degree of respect as its a VERY VERY tough thing to do eight shows a week belting and hitting unnaturally high notes al la Evita, and and Christine in Phantom etc... and unlike straight theatre... the voice has to be so looked after or you can end up not going on for a month!!!! You can go on with a hoarse voice in plays depending on the job, but with muscials, its not that way.

Not even opera singers are expected to do the amount MT people do a week.. eight shows a week? Opera sibgers have two nights, one off , another two etc... and MT vocals are just as demanding-- in a different way of course.


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