How many auditions did you do before your first job offer

Sophie Tott
Voice Over: English

Hi there,

I've just started out auditioning (I have submitted a few "general" auditions before, but no job offers).

I'm curious to know how many auditions it took you to receive your first job offer?

I'd also love to know whether this can end up being a good place for a flow of work, or whether other routes are more effective, and if other routes, what have you found is your best way to win work?

Thanks so much!
Sophie


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Brendan McCoy
Voice Over: English

Hi Sophia,

It's different for everyone, and I fear it is much more difficult now! I was very lucky and booked my 1st paid VO job within a week of having my voice reel online, and I was even more lucky that my first homemade voice reel managed to get me headhunted by a really good vo agent, who kept getting me regular work. But this was all before the pandemic forced every performer under the sun to build themselves a home studio set up in the hope of being able to do any from of creative work from home, so there is much more competition now on these pay to play sites than there was when I started a few years ago.

There's lots more to booking VO work than having a nice voice, although of course that does help! But delivery styles, performers flexibility to take direction and change things up from one read to another, speed of application to castings especially on these pay to play sites like Mandy and of course just dumb luck! Are all key factors.

Try not to stress too much about the number of applications you do before you book something, just try and view it all as good practice for your craft as opposed to allowing it to demoralise you by letting them feel like rejected job applications, they aren't! Maybe the casting director only listed to 5 of 500 demos and yours was sadly number 6, maybe the job got pulled, maybe you just weren't quite what they were looking for this time, but maybe will be next time!

Keep marching on and best of luck! :)


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Chris Foster
Voice Over: English

I hate to be a killjoy but I've done well over a hundred and got nothing. I'm probably not going to renew either because the esoteric nature of many of the jobs has made the year's membership a large (not wasted in terms of practice but) useless in terms of landing a job. I joined Voices.com and got a job within a month. Still after number two but at least there you now how many are applying for each gig and there seem to be many more options there. P2P is a tantalising carrot. SOMEONE has to get these gigs but , as far as Mandy is concerned, I'm very disappointed.

Good luck to you though.


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Sophie Tott
Voice Over: English

Thank you for your replies! Helpful if depressing! I think it's maybe best to pursue other avenues for finding work... :)


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Chris Foster
Voice Over: English

Ugh! Have just seen how many typos my last post had. I should learn not to type after midnight. Good luck to all of us!


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Paul Watt
Voice Over: English

Same as you Chris. I’ve done over 150 auditions on Mandy. I was even a Finalist in last years Competition. I’ve had a few ‘shortlisted’ and ‘under consideration’ but sadly no work through them.


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Chris Foster
Voice Over: English

Yes Paul. I've had a few "nice" emails from companies but the worst thing about this site from my perspective is that (in my case, because I don't yet have visible experience - I'm waiting for two edits from jobs I've done to be finished/published before I can use them myself) people either "view my profile" or just visit the page but don't listen to the damn file. Comparative rookie = useless, rather than hearing what is available. (Life's not fair, I know, I've been singing professionally for 30+ years!) :-)

P2P is a minefield (we all know this) but if we're not being given much information for our subscription I'm struggling to see the benefit. My subscription is open until March 22 and I'll keep on plodding but the recent jobs that have been posted have been so language/accent specific, there has hardly been anything I can sensibly apply for.


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Paul Watt
Voice Over: English

I hear ya! My subscription has run out and I won’t be renewing it for some time, if ever.


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Sophie Tott
Voice Over: English

Such a shame as it seemed promising and is a nice interface, easy to use. But if it doesn't bring in the work, it's totally pointless really lol! And 150 auditions for no jobs... that's a shocking stat!


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Brendan McCoy
Voice Over: English

It is tough, and Mandy isn't my favourite of the PTP sites by any stretch (my favorite by far is bodalgo), not being able to see how many other people have applied for the jobs, with a seemingly huge amount of job advertisers not viewing/listening to applications/demos are just a couple of my issues with Mandy (both bodalgo and voice123 let you see how many others have applied for any job and what percentage of applications and demos the advertisers have viewed and listened to!). But that said, I seem to be one of the lucky ones who just about manages to book enough on here year on year to stick around, in spite of all the issues with this site and it's service.


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Chris Foster
Voice Over: English

Good for you Brendan. (Honest comment to be clear, rather than sarcastic).

Someone told me that having video of your vo work on your home page was a big boost to their employability. I'm waiting on my blooming' clips before I can add something concrete along those lines.

Hey-ho!


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Kasper Michaels
Voice Over: Canadian

I'm just going to throw a Devil's Advocate shaped hat into the ring. A very large factor in this discussion is not being discussed: Covid and it's affect on the home studio market. The amount of people outside of the market that all of a sudden set up home studio shingles was staggering. Still is. It is much harder for the clients to sort the wheat from the chaff.
Clients have also changed their budgets. Certain assumptions have been made about the cost of home studios and some clients feel a larger budget is not longer required to get the project done. A lot of my friends are sound engineers and a lot lost work because of the rise of VO home studios. just something to think about.
How many auditions is a tough question in a way with a lot of factors. These factors range from over saturation of applicants, rates offered by the VO talent are all of a sudden too high, or even the auditions being sent aren't very good quality. this is where an honest friend with a good ear comes in, but that's a different conversation.
The average booking rate pre covid for a P2P site was 2-3% versus auditions submitted. Yet we are still choosing to be here.
Daunting? yes. It's part of the business these days. the business has changed, will keep changing and we have to change with it. There is still a lot of work that can be done to make this a business, including sourcing clients, improving your vocal and mic techniques and networking. A friend of mine sends out a minimum of 200 emails a week searching for new clients, and she is in the booth almost 10 hours a day. she is already successful to some of us. For her, it's part of her job. So she gets annoyed when someone posts, "I can't wait until I'm at your level working so much"... her response is "wait to get to my level? you need to earn my level, work hard, send thousands of emails, make mistakes and sweat.... there is no waiting." I love that answer.
Am I a working Voice actor? yes. It is my only source of income. my booking rate from this site? out of 94 auditions -- 3 charity projects, 7 thanks for auditioning but we went another way (which are actually nice to get) and 2 jobs that keep emailing me saying the project dates are being pushed, could I be patient.
Why? Could be I'm a Canadian in London that sounds like an Irish American when I get tipply. very niche. Could be my voice just doesn't suit many of the jobs on the market. It could be 308 people auditioned for the job and I was unlucky enough to get picked. Could be my voice is not pitched right for their pitch.... see what I did there.... ahem.... cough....

For me, I look at each audition as a little project. do your best, have some fun and move on. Mandy helps get me some of those projects. It's a different environment than some other P2P sites. Please remind yourself that it's a lot like Vegas (or Blackpool if you are on a budget), P2P stands for Pay to Play. NOT Pay to Win. You need to understand and enjoy the game. If it's too expensive to play, don't pay. nuff said. Find another avenue. And there are many. There are marketing teachers that can point you there.

I'll bet many people have negative stories. You need to ask yourself, why am I doing this? is this helping me achieve my goals, and if it isn't, move on. Don't let the negative get you down. My suggestion would be be to wrap 2021 up in a bow and put it under the tree, or burn it as a yule log. Start making plans now, for the new year. things will change again. Decide if you are going to but a positive spin or negative spin on your chosen path. Alas, poor Mr Frost, this is no longer the path less trodden, but the amenities that are appearing are amazing.

Have a very festive season, merry ho ho and spectacular beginning to the new year.
Cow Bella
Kasper


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Chris Foster
Voice Over: English

That's a very considered and thoughtful post Kasper and I understand all of the pros and cons (I've been singing professionally for over 30 years). I dipped my toes into VO about 30 something years ago and then had the (mis?)fortune to be a joint winner of a singing competition and my path was set. I've been training diligently for about 16 months now and I know where I would like to take vo in the coming years. My eyes are wide open as I've done all the same type of auditions in singing 35 years ago! :-)

I don't begrudge anyone their hard earned success and it's something to aspire to but ... when the number of auditions is small and they are niche to say the least (they have been over the last month) it's for that reason that I question the validity of this site. Every site has +s and -s.

I've lost too much singing work over the last two years (and £300 both this week and next - just heard!) to be sentimental about a P2P site! I may not get another vo gig (who knows) but I have "projects" on the training platform that I subscribe to so I look to a subscription service to generate work for the service I have paid for. If they are not getting enough of the sort of work that I think I fit, I'll have to move on.

I think we're very much on the same page Kasper but the singing world continues to be decimated. Not feeling sorry for myself, it's just where are at the moment.


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Sophie Tott
Voice Over: English

I'm really enjoying this discussion. And yes, I imagine the market has changed hugely due to Covid. I enjoy working with my voice, so will no doubt continue.

As a DJ and performer, my work in that area has all but gone, but in this ever-changing landscape, it'll come back eventually.

I enjoy exploring my voice, and I'm sure there is in fact plenty of work for all, and in the meantime, practise and crafting is a useful exercise. I had reached a conclusion that it's a numbers game - and success in any area definitely requires more grit and determination - talent alone is never enough.

Food for thought, all of this. Thank you!


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Ruth Urquhart
Voice Over: Scottish

Also (to add to the other insightful posts here ) remember that the industry is a many stringed bow and P2PS account for only a fragment of the auditions and work. Put time into marketing yourself, get a website. look at potential clients on the internet and get in touch directly. See which agents have their books open and where you could fit on their roster. Occasionally you will get a job through Mandy or one of the other sites but don't see it as the be all and end all, it isn't. And yes, use it to practise the process but remember as well that liking or disliking a voice is so subjective. What one person loves about a talent's voice, another could hate. In audiobooks I have done where you get reader reviews I have literally had 'this is the worst narrator ever' immediately followed underneath by 'this is the best narrator ever!' Meh. Tass aside the rejection and keep going , you'll get there! :-)


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Tony Coughlan
Voice Over: Scottish

Exactly Ruth, it’s about an employers personal taste. And what people think is great is purely subjective.

Merry Christmas & A happy new year to all. :)


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Declan McHugh
Voice Over: English

Nicely put, Ruth. Indeed keep going, but as far as mandy is concerned, after 75 auditions I have (at least temporarily) had enough. I am about to unleash the website and go full pelt into the marketing side. I've enjoyed the incredibly helpful contributions on this website, with very special mentions to Kasper Michaels, Brendan McCoy and Richard Williams, and I'll maybe connect with some of you again in the future. Should anyone want it my email is [email protected] Best of luck out there. Slay it in 2022. Peace, Out.

Declan McHugh


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Mike Mendoza
Voice Over: English

A lot of the time it appears to be hit or miss. I joined Mandy about 4 years ago, sent in dozens of auditions and picked up 3 jobs so far. I have renewed again for this year, dont ask me why.
I have been a radio and TV presenter since 1970, I was commercial producer for a radio station in the 80's and on the 'voice circuit' for a couple of years which at the time was an excellent living. Sadly as far as radio stations are concerned, com prod has totally changed. I used to go from Radio Station to Radio Station all over the country voicing ads, approx 20/30 ads at each station at £10 an add. Visiting at least two stations per day was very nice at the time. Then I qwent back to full time radio bvroadcasting and the voice work dropped off because I didnt have time to do it. I did get several 'bookings' purely from people suddenly tuning into the station and asking me to record stuff for them, including some voices opn movies!! The past few years its been again VERY different and with more and more of us looking for the same work, we have to consider is it worth the outlay. Some may tell you that you have a great voice, give you training, get you to make a showreel all at great cost, but you end up with nothing. I really feel for newcomers to our business, many are being ripped off so PLEASE be aware. Dont go out and buy the best equipment in the market, you could be eventually realising that you made a bad choice, an expensive bad choice. Please dont let me put you off, I wish you the best of luck, but dont be living in a fools paradise.
I have been in his business a long time, I have worked on some of the largest radio stations in the world and I have seen a lot of dissapointment.
But at the end of the day, if you really believe in yourself.... give it a go and i do wish you the best of luck


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Declan McHugh
Voice Over: English

Nice Mike.
You've been there, done that and got the T-Shirt!

Declan


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Mike Mendoza
Voice Over: English

Thanks Declan, Yes I am old!! haha
Good luck to you for the future


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