Racism within the industry

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Going through many audition calls, most of them without any reason have specified even the racial backgound of the actor. Seems we are stepping into racism again. I mean can not a arabic or a turkish couple have problem in court. It's time we all rise our voices and stop the hidden and quiet racism that nobody dare to talk about, of the fear of being laughed at, or not listened to and neglected. Now correct me on this if i am wrong, but isn't that true, that in usa, they are not allowed to publicise auditions whith racial references?
Is it only we follow that country exclusivley on invasion of other countries, but let their inspiring aspects pass our by/
davoud rastgou


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I agree with Forbes.

Its nothing to do with racism...

I'm Cornish....Can i play the race card when i don't get my own way????


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Farah Sardar
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...and the nomination for the best portrayal of Elizabeth Bennet....is...............................................Forbes!!!! (round of applause)

But hey, wasn't it so, that in Shakespeare's time, men DID play the women's roles?


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Very true Fuzz.

Some men still do!!! ( In panto.)


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Well I'm narked because I'm blonde with blue eyes and getting no castings.

They're bloody blondist!

Damn them all.


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forbes would make a better mrs bennet i think!
oops, we seem to have completely high jacked this thread!


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Leila Reid
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well it was a good hi jack it made a rather interesting read.

xox


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Isn't age-ism just as bad? Why am I never picked to play good looking 25 year old dudes?


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Mark Joseph
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In America I believe they are not allowed to ask your real age.

M.


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From the US Age Discrimination Act:

Title 29, Chapter 14, section 623 (Prohibition of Age Discrimination) paragraph (f) states "It shall not be unlawful for an employer...[to ask about or limit applications with respect to age] where age is a bona fide occupational qualification reasonably necessary to the normal operation of the particular business."


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Alan Brent
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Sorry, you're wrong. This Industry is the only one that I know of where casting directors can be specific about what type of person they want.
It's not 'racist' to expect a woman to play a woman's part. Nor is it 'racist' to ask for a specific male type to play a role.
The word' racist' is very provocative because of its great emotive source. It is also very frightening to think one could be 'racist'. I feel that, as has been pointed out so much throughout this thread, that treading carefully around the term 'racist' is not productive. Nor is it going to alter what CDs think.
They want a certain type, they aim to get to that type as efficiently as possible.
Equity's action, by the way, is to deal with Equality in the Workplace. There are three different working parties. Each one deals with Inequality and eradicating as much of it as possible in a practical and sensible way.
I'm sorry, Des, if you played a 25 year old...you'd lose!! (And that comes from one not much younger than you, mate!)


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Alan Brent
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Reply was to Mark's not Monty's


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Sayera Haque
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Would you cast an asian actress to play Eliza in My Fair Lady or Maria in The Sound of Music or Sandy in Grease? Humm just a thought ...


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In theatre there is a lot of colourblind casting going on. Gwenda Hughes who was the artistic director of the New Vic Stoke-on-Trent and before that the an associate director at the Birmingham Rep.
In the past she has cast a black actress as Eliza in "Pygmalion" and a black actress, Asian actress and a white actress as the three sisters in "Hobson's Choice" as well as numerous other productions with integrated casts.

So often theatre directors will set the casting policy of colourblind or integrated casting to reflect the ethnic diversity of the city or town where there theatre is based. Also many YPT companies operate a policy of integrated casting and will put together families of different races. Because it's theatre and it's about suspending disbelief and also because they're touring to schools and communities that have a big mix of ethnicities.

Certainly 25 years ago it was rare to see a black or Asian actor on television or in a theatre this situation has changed dramatically, I am very glad to say. Now any good black or Asian actor coming out of drama school this year will probably have five or six more offers from agents compared to their white peers. This is because there's a lot fewer black and Asian actors out there and a lot of demand.

Yes we certainly all get typecast regardless of our colour but I don't think this can be classed as racist and is perhaps more a lack of imagination.

I used to s to have a youth theatre director who was always telling me off because I cast myself as mums, nurses, hairdressers and secretaries. So for a time in my youth theatre group I would cast myself as a plumbers, car mechanic and managing director. Then I grew up join the real world of acting and now what am I seen for Mum or a Mum or a hairdresser. I don't think I will ever get seen for that role of that car mechanic. But to be honest I don't care if I'm typecast as long as I'm working.

Cheers
Tracey


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I agree with some of the comments made.

If Cd's were too politically correct and not able to specify openly what they are looking for, the likes of me would end up attending auditions for parts that i could never actually get........ because secretly the CD wanted a blond white guy or girl

Cd should be able to specify age, race etc, however whn necessary and when justified.

I mean in todays age we still see castings that say policeman "caucasian" or taxi driver "asian"....or doctor "male"....or bus driver aged "20-30".....man in pub "slim" etc etc


On the other hand


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.....and i would like to apologise in advance if i missed out any "isms" !! lol


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Lee Ravitz
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I think most of the points made so far are prefectly valid.

a) Yes, casting does have to be done (for the most part) with a large degree of specificity, and, in this respect, questions of what physique a person possesses, whether they are considered conventionally handsome/beautiful or otherwise, what accent they possess, what colour their hair and eyes are, whether they are essentially hairy or smooth skinned, young or elderly, able-bodied or disabled, whether they have a specific religious background, and so on are *all* called into play by casting directors, all of the time. In this respect, specifying 'race' (whatever that may mean in reality) - but, let's say, whether a character is white, black, asian, arabic etc. - is as justifiable as any other kind of specifiying. It *is* 'discriminatory', but only in the true sense of the word.

b) 'Racism' is itself a highly emotive term - to accuse an industry of being 'racist' is to suggest that it has an inherent and institutionalised need to actively belittle and abuse specific members of specific racial origins who work within the industry.
Tracey's points seem to me as valid a riposte to these claims as any other - what may have been true of the British acting industry in the 1970's, say, is clearly no longer the case. Colour-blind casting is frequently adopted by the leading practitioners of theatrical art within the industry (at the RSC on a regular basis, for instance). Many significant contributions are made to the industry by professionals who hail from non - WASP backgrounds, particularly in prime time television.

However, two additional points I will make:

1. What may be getting confused here is the issue of whether or not non-WASP actors are frequently 'stereotyped' within the industry. This seems to me to be a claim that (still, in 2008) has much more force to it than any notion that the industry is actually 'racist' in its casting policies. Thus, there remains a tendency to cast many Asian actors as doctors, or corner shop owners, many Irish actors as nannies or builders, many Jewish actors as accountants or taxi drivers, many black actors as hoodies or nurses etc. etc. These may be castings which relect, in some sense, the real demographics into which people from non WASP backgrounds fall in early 21st century Britain. But, at the same time, they are often castings which presume certain character traits applying to the role in question because of the character's origins. This can, I think, be a genuine cause of frustration to actors who have very specific 'ethnic' backgrounds the perception of which has been coloured by long - standing stereotyping. Though it may be equally true that many non 'ethnic' types find themselves encountering similar frustrations with casting if they belong to any bracket outside of the Home Counties RP speaker. How many times has someone Cornish been asked to play a fisherman, for example?

2. It is worth pointing out that there is always going to be a fundamental difference between the way stage plays can be cast and screen work can be cast, in respect to this issue. On stage, although colour blind casting has not historically been the norm, I think we will see ever more of it in the years to come - because everything on stage requires a certain suspension of disbelief in order to function. On screen, however, there is a powerful need to be seen to be 'accurate' in the depiction of the surrounding world (even in some of the most abstract pieces of work) because film is meant to approximate to visual 'truth' the majority of the times.

Therefore, if you are making a historically accurate adaptation of a Jane Austen novel for film, then there is very little opportunity for you to cast other than according to the basic criteria for the English middle classes of the era i.e. WASP. On stage, although it might be considered 'controversial' in certain circles (and, really, why should it be?), I don't see why you couldn't make a black Elizabeth Bennett work. The audience expectation is actually very different.


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Bollywood supposedly is bigger than Hollywood and the British film industry combined. I wonder how I would get on if I were to move to India and apply for roles in movies there? Just a thought.


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Racism's a little strong isn't it... However... I'm brown and I've had jobs in the past purely on the colour of my skin and looks. In an ideal worl it would be nice for everyone to be judged on talent, but that's just not realistic.
Having said that...I've only ever seen one mixed race family unit on screen (that I can think of) It may be a case of writing which needs to move with the times.


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There's something wrong with this thread. There's no post from Blake :p


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Toni Brooks
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Isn't it more the case that writers and commissioners who aren't reflecting society as it is but rather their own take on it? It's not the casting directors - they have to follow the brief from the character breakdown.


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