SOME THINGS NEVER CHANGE. SIGH

So,

I finish a student film a while back, and guess what? I call them and text them about the copy that they need to give me, and they hang up on me on the phone!

How have people dealt with this when the students dont cough up?

Apart from breaking of kneecaps and maiming of course...as tempting as it is.....


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Alan Brent
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I refer Sally Claire to my comments about having an active part in the education of young student directors by seeking opportunities to lecture early in their careers about 'Working with Actors'. Maybe I should have said 'Working with Professional Actors'!


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Hi Blake as an agent I do come across this quite alot and have found that if you approach the tutor's then they have to chase it up for you. If they do not get a copy for you people will start to withdraw from these free projects.


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Nathan Head
Actor

yeh i was told to appraoch the tutors Hatman, i wasnt sure which was the right tutor so i emailed 4 of them in the department, asking if i had contactd the wrong one, to forward it on for me.
two of them wrote back, one saying that my arrangement was with the student and i shoudl not try to involve the university. the other said they would talk to the student about it.

none were very helpful


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Lee Ravitz
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At the risk of generalising hideously...

I can see why some tutors might well consider that what a student does or doesn't do is ultimately the student's business, and nothing to do with them. Certainly, a *responsible* sort of tutor should care whether his/her students are giving a bad name to the university's/college's film studies unit/cinematography course, by pissing off actors who are working for the students. But it wouldn't surprise me to find there are many who are interested mainly in the teaching side of their duties, and who feel that if the students (who have probably been told what the 'proper' etiquette in these situations is) aren't behaving themselves, then that is something for the student director to have to deal with the fallout from, not them. After all, they can always claim (with some justification) that as soon as a film project has been given over into the hands of their students, those students take on professional responsibility for themselves, and the tutor is no longer responsible, as they are not overseeing the project per se, merely marking it at the end of the day. The student director will have been the one who you auditioned for, who cast you, who promised you expenses or a copy of the DVD, who arranged your shooting schedule etc. etc. And, really, none of this had anything to do with the tutor, who merely set the student a piece of coursework and said, Go and get it filmed.

Dismissive behaviour is hardly appropriate for any tutor who wants to try and up the standing of his/her cinemetaography department...but it's hardly behaviour which is unacceptable or exceptional. Rather, it seems justifiable from a certain perspective. So, no wonder many tutors aren't helpful when it comes to this issue, unfortunately.


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Alan Brent
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With the recent upturn in replies to this thread I feel it is neccessary to repeat those points I made in my previous submission.
By approaching the Head of Leeds University Film School and speaking to all those concerned there, we at Leeds and District General Equity Branch have, over a short period of time, established a 'Code of Conduct' that the Student film makers are expected to follow.
This includes: Casting Code of Conduct, Showreel material from all shoots, conduct on set, feeding your actors, paying expenses, feedback from the actors to tutors on their treatment during the 'shoot' (which forms part of their general assessment) and general stuff like having somewhere to change, warmth and regular coffee and drink breaks (or smoke breaks), rehearsal time etc!
Am I the only person who thinks that if you get organised you can work this 'miracle'?
Good relationships with your film school means that in return for this agreement we also can use their editing facilities and editors to put together Showreels for £25 not the £250 charged by the commercial sector.
Students need good actors as well so that they know quality when they see it. They also know how priviledged they are to use actors for nothing and don't expect to get them for nothing when they are qualified and working outside of the school.
Don't just moan about not being able to do something about it. As an Equity Branch WE have! Get your Branch to approach the Head Tutors (busy as they are) and do a deal tat benefits BOTH sides. Then you'll get movement. They have nothing to lose and a lot to gain from it.


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Nathan Head
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the work i did with leeds uni was very proffessionally organised.

the crew was very serious and dedicated to the shoot.


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does anyone agree that student actors(Drama Students) should be given priority in student films? How else are they supposed to get started at such a difficult stage in their careers.

This would be dreadful news for the likes of P.C.R who may have to then fill the pages of their publication with actual employment opportunities. Which is the least you should expect at £7.50 an issue.


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Lucy Perkins
Actor

No I don't think so Mick, because an actor can be starting out and just as worthy whether they're in drama school or not. By giving preference to 'drama students' it exacerbates the divide and snobbery about drama schools. Auditions determine who is suitable for a part, nothing else.
Lx


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Hi Richard,

The one thing we all share is desperation...

Desperation at the end of the month knowing there is not enough in the bank to pay the rent/mortgage...

Desperation when the phone rings and you cannot make the audition - for one reason or another...

Desperation when you are offered work on the one day of the week that you already have actual work booked in...

Desperation when you see more grey hairs and wonder who's reflection you are looking at in the mirror; is it really me!

Desperation when you think; I could could have done that!

What makes us tick?

What makes us different?

Yet...

Very occasionally...

We see a glimmer of light...

The sunshine comes out and we KNOW that all the trouble and strife is worth it!

If only we could feel that way - every day...

**;~))


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