In films and real life,why is there a cross on a dead man's tomb?

  • Kevin Mangar

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    Speculative thoughts;Way back in ancient history until today people put a cross on a dead person's tomb.Is it a symbol of faith or respect?Is it to sanctify holy ground?Or is it just fear of that person rising from the dead?(like in Dracula movies or during the era of "Vlad the Impaler"?)What do you think?Let's hear views from religious and non religious people!

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    Sorry, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think this is the right forum for a discussion like this - unless you are researching a Dracula role! I don't think we should get into religious debates on a forum dedicated to the acting profession...

    • 6th Sep 2006
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  • Kevin Mangar

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    Hi helen,

    The focus is not on religious debates but educational research.Im not trying to be DAN BROWN the famous writer/screenwriter but to view things in different angle.I've got an open mind and i'm always interested in other people's views and experience.This would contribute to a wider spectrum of thought and it could generate ideas for horror fiction film writers or purely research for future acting roles in horror movies.For the record,I love and respect people of all faiths(religion).

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    is this really relevant?

    • 6th Sep 2006
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    i really think that your justification for discussing this topic on here is a little pompous, but quite apart from the irrelevance of the subject, speaking from experience, the discussion of anything religious on this board is a bad idea.

    x

    • 6th Sep 2006
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  • Kevin Mangar

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    WOW!Was that a strike at me?Pompous!Ha!Ha!We are all actors here with intelligent and progressive minds.Since when, enquiring about a "researched subject" is a bad idea?

    A glass of water which is "half full" or "half empty" denotes our difference of opinion!You perceive things in tunnel vision rather than the wide spectrum of things.Why such negativity?

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    I just think there are many more forums out there where such a post would be relevant. I stand by my inital thoughts - this is not the place - try Myspace.

    • 6th Sep 2006
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    in what way could speculation as to the reason for a cross being placed on a grave, be passed off as research for future roles????

    even with a starring role in a hammer horror, i doubt that this knowledge would be relevant, let alone on a discussion board for topics relating to the industry.

    so yes, i may be a "glass is half empty" kinda guy (although i still don't see the train of thought that led to that particular accusation), but remember this, a pessimist is never disappointed.

    end of discussion-i shall not waste any more time on this.

    x

    p.s. helen, you look like a pretty charlotte church. i hope you take this as a compliment, she's fab!

    • 7th Sep 2006
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  • Joseph Steyne

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    Three things really:

    1. I think kev has every right to open any debate he likes...if it doesn't interest you thats your perogative. I would say that finding out other peoples views and ideas is very relavant. I love hearing peoples views and feel it gives me a better understanding of social interaction...that is our job! It just seems like kev was the victim of a hate campain (bit harsh but i'm not taking myself too seiriously)

    2. How can chris question the relevance of this topic...then deviate to the very pertinant topic of how pretty helen is? Double standars maybe?..or does that not count as it was not posted as a topic for dicussion?

    3. As for the 'Glass half empty/full' thing, I'm sure this is easy: If the glass is in the process of being filled it is (at the piont of 50%) half full, if it is 50% of the way through being emptied it is half empty.

    It's all about seeing your subject matter in context.

    p.s.

    I am at work and very board!!

    this rant was for my own benifit probably more than anyone.

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  • Rebecca Probyn

    Actor

    may I suggest google or wickipedia.

    thanks

    I too think Helen is pretty :)

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    cheers me dear - I think she is fab too!

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  • Lucy Perkins

    Actor

    Helen is rather pretty it has to be said, relevant or not!

    Lx

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  • Pierre Maubouché

    Actor

    1/ Some people see this forum as a virtual 'actors social bar' where we talk about everything, anything and also loads of bollocks like in any forum, some people see it as a 'professional chat only' room where we talk about work and also loads of indutry-related bollocks, I personally don't care and read/interract with the posts I'm interested in.

    2/ All you girls are gorgeous. Trust me, I know - I'm French.

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    Oh my God, how embarrassed am I right now...

    Anyway, I was just making the point that it wasn't specifically relevant and the subject matter can tend to get people going off on rants which have nothing to do with the industry! It's one thing if that's a tangent on a thread, it's another if it a topic title.

    Fair point on 'only read it if you're interested' maybe I should just stop being a nosey bugger!

    H x

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  • Rebecca Probyn

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    Ahh Pierre,vous êtes très aimable

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  • Blake J Askew

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    Personally, I used to like the Hammer Horror films...

    But Chris ios really just referring to a discussion a few months back that was closed due to some very heated debates...

    he is right that we need to be careful, but at the same time..no one became abusive in the Chi="ristian" TV debate, so it IS possible....and ideas SHOULD be bandied around, but peole need to respknd to ideas, rather than react with abuse...

    But I ahve no idea why...probably due to the fact that if teh church buried you you had a blessing and a cross..if not, you were probably damned to hell...and thrown in a paupers grave etc..like Mozart was.....

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  • Pierre Maubouché

    Actor

    Rebecca, you're mistaken me for somebody else - I'm not aimable, I'm French!

    Helen, sorry if it sounded like I was having a dig at you, not so, when I was saying "I personally don't care and read/interract with the posts I'm interested in" I was only speaking about what I do, wouldn't dream on telling other people what they should do!

    I personally agree with you and thought that this thread was a bit funny/irrelevant a topic for an actors website - it might be because I personally see this forum as a work thing and not a 'chat-about-everything-I-feel-like-chatting-about' room but hey! each to their own, if someone wants to discuss about why crosses on tombs, or their love of cheese, or whatever, then my view is that it's up to them, if someone else wants to join then why not let them chat about it and be happy ever after...

    Peace out - oh, and Helen, I just stalked your profile, you are pretty. And Libi, you've got nothing to envy to Helen, you are very pretty too. There, aren't we all happy campers now?

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    Yes, I, also, am desperate for a job. I'm with you on that one!

    I'm just so bored of sitting looking at spreadsheets in my temp job. Zzzz....

    Oh dear, now the thread really has gone on a tangent.

    • 8th Sep 2006
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    And i must say Nick you are very handsome! (hope everyone realises i'm just taking the mick now and carrying on the off on a tangent theme!) Sure i didn't have to state that but son't wanna cause anymore heated discussion! Shut up Lynn!

    • 8th Sep 2006
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    Everyone on here is pretty. Except me. But that's why I'm about to sign with Mingers Inc.

    As an ex-Theologian, I can confirm that the use of the cross on a Christian grave is to signify the person's return to their maker, back into the bosom of their Lord. It's symbolic of a oneness with the Father.

    It is extremely unlikely that a Muslim or Jewish burial would be conducted in the same way as the cross signifies the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. And of course the Jews don't believe in all that stuff. The Muslims think he was a prophet, but that's about it.

    It is unlikely to be a protection against vampires or the undead: for some bizarre reason the Christian Church doesn't believe that such things exist.

    Here's another fact: did you know that the Pope's throne has a hole in the seat? This is not in case he is taken short, but due to an embarrassing event in early church history when a woman was elected Pope by mistake (they thought she was a man).

    So know when the Pope is enthroned they, ahem, check to make sure the crown jewels are all in order.

    Of course, this is probably not true. But I knew a girl who ate a Kentucky Fried Rat and then sat on her neighbour's dog and peed in the sink. And that is fact. Not fiction.

    (sound of Chris closing topic, LOL)

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