Kissing and sex scenes - your thoughts?

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Hello, everyone.

I recently had discussion with my boyfriend and a few friends and I was looking to get some industry input.

How do you feel about performing kissing and sex scenes in shows/films? Do you have different rules for on-camera and on-stage productions? What would you NEVER do? Would you do certain things professionally but not if the project was expenses only? And, more importantly, WHY?

The discussion arose because we were talking about how the original actresses (remember that to begin with women weren't allowed on stage at all and men played all the parts) were considered to be in the same category as prostitutes, selling their bodies and words for money, and it's only recently that that label has been discarded. Nowadays, by contrast, actresses are admired and idolised and I can't quite put my finger on why this is.

I don't necessarily agree with the old idea stated above but I'm very intrigued by this topic and want to get down to the nitty gritty of what we're arguing about.

Does the fact that you're not being paid make a difference? If I would only doing kissing/sex scenes for money would that be the same argument, morally speaking, as prostitution?

I think, however odd it may seem, that there is a grain of truth in the old analogy, at least for the purposes of this argument. I don't literally think that actresses are wh*res but I certainly get to do things on stage and screen that I would never, morally speaking, be allowed to do as 'me', and it's very muddy water debate-wise. Does the physical act of doing something not matter if you're not being 'you' at the time? What if you're a porn star? No matter how what you're acting in you could claim that your emotions are elsewhere and so it doesn't count as 'you' doing it, but it's still your body so when do 'you' stop being 'you' and why would you have any limits on what you'd do during an acting job if you really are 'acting'?

Most intriguing.


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OK. Can i add anything to this discussion that has not already been said? Well, here goes. I personally have no objection/reservation/scruples about acting a sexual act (that is acting rather than performing). In the same way that I would be happy to fight, assault or for that matter kill a fellow actor in a performance context. I have in fact, as I am sure many of us have, done so on a number of occasions. However, should I ever find myself actually 'attacking' an actor, I would consider it unproffesional and dis-courteous in the extreme; and would be looking for a hasty rethink of the performance and my own state of mind (not to mention demanding a refund from the fight co-director). The same is surely true in a sex scene. We are, after all, artists, whose task is to give an individual perspective on a given circumstance for a dramatic purpose. Not to 'do something' in front of an audience and call it art because we lack the skills or awareness required of any actor/artist.

Was that a bit'up myself'? Oh well, lets throw it into the pot and see what happens.


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It really depends on each specific job one does I think- the most crucial thing is to decide how far you ae prepared to go and in what context.

I have no problem with nudity that is contaxtual however sexual nudity can be justified in certain situations but its not "art" to have a full on scene of two people having sex... its really down to the context of a script-

and each of us us using our bodies, moths and minds when in a show, so to detach and say its not your own body etc isnt going to be that helpful .

Interestingly- Nine Songs ( which I have not seen ) is purported to have full on actual sex for the film... this is taking it way too far and is blatant pornography. Thats the question- when is it contextual, and when does it verge on porn? and Hollywood films are VERY guilty of this.


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Ceri Mears
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Well, anyone who's seen my showreel will know that I've done the odd saucy scene ;) I've also done a Peter Greenaway film, which involved plenty of full frontal nudity. Once you've done anything like that though, you soon realise that it's just acting. No more, no less.

As one of our final year pieces in college (RWCM&D) we had to do a scene that was of an explicitly sexual nature, and the rest of the year had to watch each scene. It was a tremendously worthwhile exercise imo. Liberating and demonstrative of a tenet I've always considered to be true - good actors (despite what the world at large would have you believe!) are characterised not by enormous egos, but by their lack of any ego whatsoever.


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Alan Brent
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In a nutshell, Ceri! Great point.
Alan


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"The same is surely true in a sex scene. We are, after all, artists, whose task is to give an individual perspective on a given circumstance for a dramatic purpose"

Yeah, but surely you can see the difference between a fight scene and simulating sex when you might be required to be nude?!

A fight scene doesn't involve you standing naked as the day you were born portraying a very private act.

Although it would probably seen to be more proffessional, perhpas, to treat a scene of a sexual nature a casually as a fight scene, as "its is integral to the plot" and it is after all "art", but they are really very different things and I don't think someone's un-willingness to perform such a scene is any reflection on their capabilities as an actor.

:)


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I agree.

Perhaps I'm not as committed to my career as others but I doubt I'll ever get the stage where I'm as comfortable as you (though I do greatly respect your attitude). As with anything in life I think we have to make our own decisions, weighing up the pros and cons for each decision as it relates to our lives. To me it's just not worth the damage to my relationships and self esteem which, I admit, are of my own creation.


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I agreed with Carediggmun, by the way. Above also, but that's where my comment came from. Damn same-moment posting!


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Well said Emily, but as I say just because you or I would prefer not to do a sex scene by NO MEANS makes us less committed equally as if we performed such scenes would make us more comitted.


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Lee Ravitz
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Interesting comments. Ceri does make a vital point about acting in general, which I think is evidently true - the more personal 'blocks' one can overcome in one's search to craft another character, the more original and striking each separate creation will become. And this is, simply put, what makes for 'great acting'. In an ideal world, no experience should truly be considered off limits to the actor. I was reading only the other day about one of my personal heroes, Daniel Day - Lewis, whose commitment to role creation is such that he has been prepared to do such things as train as a boxer for 3 years, lock himself away in solitary confinement for several months, learn how to skin deer by hand, build a house using only 17th century tools, etc. - all activities which I am sure pushed him far 'out of himself', and allowed him to discover new potentialities he never knew he had. This sort of journey of self - discovery and pushing the envelope should be the ambition of us all as actors.

BUT...(and this is a significant but...)

Two of the most important issues that I think have been raised on this thread (never, perhaps, addressed) are these:

i) There is a huge qualitative difference between how we define levels of 'intimacy', and one of the original questions (very pertinent) was how far is the individual actor concerned prepared to go?. It seems to me that there is a whole range of what might be termed 'intimate' scenes that the actor might have to involve his/herself in, namely: simulated kissing/foreplay; individual nakedness; nakedness alongside a group of fellow actors naked; simulated sexual intercourse wearing clothing; simulated sexual intercourse in the nude; full-on penetrative sex(!) etc. These elements are not, necessarily, interchangeable - a nude scene in which the nudity is played for comedic effect, for instance, may be less problematic than a scene simulating sex which is fully clothed. There are scenes which lack all true 'intimacy' but which are nevertheless explicit, such as rape scenes, which many actors may find more difficult to cope with than more 'standard' sex scenes. Some people would be happy to simulate masturbation on film, but reluctant to strip to the waist for a scene and so on. Distinctions *do* need to be made - because being happy to be naked is not the same achievement as being happy to be seen being sexually explicit- and the only thing in this regard that can be taken from Ceri's comment is the notion that, in an ideal situation, *all* such 'blocks' whatever will need to be conquered in order that the 'whole actor' can emerge.

ii) Female and Male reactions to this issue may be very different. I think this is a vitally important point (and, in a way, I'm hardly qualified to talke about the female perspective, but still...)...what I note is that, by and large, women are far, far more 'reluctant' to be involved in scenes of a sexually explicit nature than men (at least, they question it more). I find it a little dismaying that the last couple of posts seem to have been forced into fighting a bit of a reargaurd action against the assumption that 'if you cannot overcome your blocks, you'll be no good as an actor', when, in fact, this seems far easier to say from a male perspective in relation to sex scenes than it does from a female.

All that appears clear to me is that, in the very act of sex (simulated or otherwise), the man 'offers', and the woman, invariably, has to 'receive'. This gives any male in a sex scene the benefit of being in 'control' of the scene; it means they do not have to (in any sense) 'open' themselves to the other partner. It may be that this makes it infinitely easier for male actors to 'switch off' or 'go somewhere else' when they are acting having sex. For female actors, there is a presupposition that, even when simulating, they are going to have to remain 'open' to their partner; to allow themselves (unless the scene is very deliberately skewed) to be dominated by their fellow actor; and (9 times out of 10) to lose control whilst their partner is (tacitly) allowed to retain it. Thus, women in sex scenes are placed into a far less enticing, far scarier and more vulnerable position than their male acting partners tend to be. If this generates more corresponding anxiety in women when the matter of performing a sex scene rears its head, whilst men continue to hand out platitudes about how easy it is to cope, then it doesn't seem to me to be anything to be surprised at, or, indeed, ashamed of.


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Milton Lopes
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Hi there! Well this is a very interesting question and very personal one.

I think is up to you to decide what is moraly doable or not. those scenes aren't easy.
I never feel at ease when I have to kiss someone on stage or on screen. I barely know the other person and sometimes I have to put my tongue in her or his mouth.

My girlfriend and I decided that it is not a good idea for her to watch those scenes.

But the thing is : the more you do those scenes the more confortable you feel because it becomes quite clear that a body is only a body, and that you can use it as tool for what you decide to do.

There will be always people that going to criticize you and people who will congratulate you for those scenes. it is really up to you to decide what are your limits.

I am Life model for art students, but is very difficult to be naked in front of a camera, knowing that the director will have my image for ever with him , without being paid

You have to be sure what are the intentions of the director and if you agree with them to do a nude, kiss, and or sex scene.

If you want to do it and if that affects your boyfriend make him sure that he is the only man that worths your love and your real kisses.

I did that and my gilrfriend copes really well with those scenes ... I think. Anyway she is still with me.


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on that note , i think that is enough siad as the matter is done to death .

thank you and good night!


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