Verification of credits

  • Andrew Wright

    Actor

    What are your thoughts on verification of credits ?

    Are employers going to worry if they are not ?

    Are they going to offer you the role if they are ?

    Its to help with a trusted service (I agree), so if an actor lies ,he is fooling himself ?

    • 22nd Jan 2009
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  • Nigel Peever

    Actor

    I'm trying to remember where I heard the joke about the actor who lied about fire walking, bus driving, sword fighting and other things and got away with it all in the film he was doing. He got to the final shot where he just had to stand in a courtyard and got trampled to death by another actor who'd said he could ride a horse.

    Cue drum and cymbal crash ba bum

    • 21st Jan 2009
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  • Lee Ravitz

    Actor

    That's actually a pretty good joke, Nigel...

    • 21st Jan 2009
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  • Andrew Wright

    Actor

    yes very good joke Nigel .

    • 21st Jan 2009
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  • Nathan Head

    Actor

    yeah and its fitting too, it never pays off to lie about any of your credits or abilities, so i guess verification on ccp is a good thing. but i always worry about the directors i once worked with seeing it as being "pestered".

    • 22nd Jan 2009
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  • Blake J Askew

    Actor

    Well,

    Let me put it this way-

    If you go for an interview at a top accounting firm like KPMG, or Pricewater House Coopers ( or like a close friend is being interviewed tomorrow for a job at Abbey), you are signing a contract that if your information is not totally correct, or if you have lied, then it can result in instant dismissal. Thats how serious it is.

    In the same way, to lie on your CV and make something out to be more than what it is ( within reason of course) is actually LYING. I know of industry people who have gone to theatre shows and have seen actors in shows saying they have done jobs that the industry people had either directed or choreographed and they were not in it!!!! Think about that.

    Now go back to your original question and ask yourself if employers will check? I think they will sometimes, especially if they know the people involved in the project on the CV.

    I also must admit to being slightly concerned about such a question being raised as for many "normal" jobs, most people would not ever do such a thing....

    my five cents...

    • 22nd Jan 2009
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  • Blake J Askew

    Actor

    PS, there is wordinmg things in a way on your Cv that makes ot stand out but is not in anyway actually misprespresentation, and then there is actually lying.

    • 22nd Jan 2009
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  • User Deleted

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    Hi all.

    We've had lots of threads on this topic and it always ocmes back to the same thing - it's not worth lying or even stretching the truth because you WILL be found out - sooner or later and then have to deal with the consequences!

    Honesty IS the best policy. Stand up and be proud of what you've done.

    • 22nd Jan 2009
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    I'm proud of everything I've done, BUT I will not have directors/producers, or whatever, pestered by emails verifying that I've been in something they did.

    I believe that you will annoy them.

    That's my twopenny worth anyway! :oP

    • 22nd Jan 2009
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  • Alan Brent

    Actor

    Interesting point. How would the director ever get to remember the names of everyone they worked with?

    I'm certain that in a massive cast unless you were in a lead role you could easily be forgotten at least in name. Faces are a different thing.

    On IMDb all cast lists are produced. But it is not the case on many stage plays. Directors/casting directors die or move on. So it's really hard to find a true reflection of who actually did what.

    Wasn't it Barbara Windsor who said 'Get out there and be active. Then if you don't get anywhere soon LIE on your CV?'

    The Truth is out there.

    But not neccessarily where you're looking!

    • 22nd Jan 2009
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  • Mark Kempner

    Actor

    DO NOT LIE...it wastes time for potential casting dir's and directors

    Its very unfair to your fellow performers

    You will be found out in this... "the smallest of worlds" Actors and the business....everyone knows everyone at some point or another!

    • 22nd Jan 2009
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  • Rob Talbot

    Actor

    I agree with Annie22: I'm not sure it's a good idea at all. Indeed, I'm not sure it actually achieves anything. It almost feels, dare I say it, slightly amateurish.

    Some people will lie about credits. I wonder though, apart from annoying our employers, will the current system stop the liars?

    • 22nd Jan 2009
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  • Sally Beaumont

    Actor

    It is a tiny bit worrying that you have to prove you're genuine (rather than it being assumed you're honest until proved otherwise).

    As a small-scale director I've already had about 6 requests for confirmation. Luckily I remember everyone I work with, but I can imagine it'd be a bit irritating to get dozens and dozens.

    Not sure where this idea came from- have casting directors found many actors on this site lying about credits?

    If not, why not save the admin work?

    • 22nd Jan 2009
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  • Morna Young

    Actor

    I actually think its quite a good idea.. we've had the conversation on here before about people not always being truthful and I suppose its a good way of confirming that you are being honest. Although saying that, I've only verified my 2008 credits because anything before that I think it seems a bit silly saying "can you verify this job I did 2 years ago?" xxx

    • 22nd Jan 2009
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  • Alan Brent

    Actor

    Nowadays it has to be said that your skills for working in the Industry are needed to be sharper than ever before. Our professionalism shows as does our experience. Just talking to an actor will let you determine who is truthfull about their experience and who isn't.

    I agree so much with Mark that it is a drain on auditioner's time to waste it. If you cannot do a job, have not the neccessary training or experience called for then you should not be applying for the job.

    However in this ever self deluding world we are living in, the 'Celebrity Status' of manufactured 'stars' and the rest of it, now EVERYONE thinks they have the Talent.

    That is the sole reason that your efforts to quantifiy skills and experience will more often than not be met with lies and prevarication.

    It's a fact that more people THINK they have Talent than actually do.

    • 22nd Jan 2009
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  • Fiz Marcus

    Actor

    I agree with Annie, there is no way I will ask any director or casting director to verify my credits I can't imagine anything that is likely to piss them off more and ensure that I don't get seen by them again! It's already been said,but if people on this site are professional and not amateur why should we be verifying our credits? We don't do it on Spotlight, and yes never lie you do get found out. I did a TV workshop years ago at The Actors Centre where CVs were requested and the director turned to one guy and said " That's interesting, what part did you play in X? I was the director" Turned out he was an extra!

    • 22nd Jan 2009
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  • Kris Haddow

    Actor

    I think it's a great idea in principal and could really add value to your CV -- I must confess I've had two emails already from people asking me not to provide their details to the site again, with hindsight I should have sought their permission first.

    K

    • 22nd Jan 2009
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  • Mark Joseph

    Actor

    My 2 cents:

    Verifcation of credits = utterly pointless and no CD is ever going to care. Ever.

    Lying on CV's = stupid, and going to get you blacklisted.

    M.

    • 22nd Jan 2009
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  • Lee Ravitz

    Actor

    Absolutely agree with the last couple of points - Any actor with integrity will NEVER lie about their credits and attainments in this day and age. Once upon a time, it might have been seen as helpful in allowing a young and inexperienced actor 'get a leg' up the ladder, but this was back in the days when the whole industry was somewhat more laid back about 'bending the truth' or otherwise - after all, how many budding actors had to work in Equity level productions without having Equity in order to gain the credits they needed for membership in the Union? Someone had to take a chance, and allow them in by the back door etc. Dare I say it, but the whole profession had a more 'dilettantish' feel to it, say, forty years ago, and 'bending the truth' was seen as something that was equal parts daring, mischevious and go-getting. Nowadays, it just wastes everyone's time and money, and is looked upon with contempt.

    Blake's point is, of course, valid - that one can make things read better on a CV than perhaps they actually were - to give a character a name when they weren't given one in the script, say, or to make a tour sound a little more extensive than it was by failing to list how long it lasted...but I don't think this is an issue, really. This is *very* different from claiming proficiency in skills you don't possess, or taking parts in productions you were never involved in!

    As to verification, I agree that it seems like a waste of effort to me - CCP appear to have introduced the function in an attempt to 'strengthen' the quality of their service for casting directors, but this actually says more about their inability to vet applicants in the first instance than it does about the actors' credentials.

    I personally agree that there is something 'naff' about trying to verify that what you have placed on a CV is true - integrity should be trusted, and most directors do not want bothering about such irrelevances (I can have enough difficulty getting them to send me e.g. footage I've shot with them, for crying out loud!). From CCP's point of view, it is nonetheless much less of a drain on their resources to have us 'police' ourselves than it is to lay down stringent rules for application/doublecheck all references as they come in. Some systems *do* initiate elaborate background checks of this sort - I believe everything on IMDB is checked out before it is allowed onto the database for instance. Similarly, it can be argued that casting directors etc. do not have the time and inclination to doublecheck all references before pulling in a performer for audition, but I would say, if they are prepared to go through an open forum like CCP in the first instance, ignore warning signs in covering letters or CV's that not everything about an actor is quite as it seems, then they should expect to receive some questionable performances at the audition. If they are really that desperate to ensure all their actors' bona fides are valid, then they can spend more effort on researching the actors background.

    Which brings me to my final point - which is that, particularly for recent performances (which are really the ones that matter), and especially for the younger generation, the greatest single tool for 'verification' of an actors credentials is the Internet itself. Online, you can discover for yourself where all my CV's are listed, and check that they all agree with one another; you can find the homepage of the agent who represents me; you can review my IMDB credit; you can check out a few reviews of the plays I have been in, and see listings for others; you can watch clips and shorts on Youtube in which I feature; you can see some of my pulicity stills and headshots; you can listen to the radio scripts I've written being performed; you can check where I went to Drama School etc. etc. etc. If I had a personal website, you could also go and see that. And what is true for me is also true for 98% of the modern acting population. Tools like these can very quickly sort the wheat from the chaff, even if they may take a minute or two to research and locate - you may quickly deduce, for instance, whether a film credit is a valid one, or simply a jumped up extras role.

    But good casting directors have all these resources at their fingertips anyway - they know all the important current developments within the industry, and tell the difference between a solid credit and an irrelevant one immediately.

    • 22nd Jan 2009
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  • User Deleted

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    My days tend to be really busy washing up, look for a job, make the kids breakfast, look for a job, walk the kids to school, look for a job, clean the oven, look for a job and so on.....to spend time thinking up a lie to put on my cv....I can think of better things to do, which reminds me, better feed the kids

    • 22nd Jan 2009
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