Xmas no.1

  • Neill Scullard

    Actor

    hi.

    bit of a random post.

    just wanted to say i'm well happy that Rage Against The Machine got xmas number 1 and not Jo whats-his-face from X factor! i think its a big two fingers up to reality tv!

    :-)

    Neill

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  • Mark Kempner

    Actor

    ....and I am sure the Simon C PR machine will love the coverage and attention the No 1 battle has received too!

    As for the reality show issue.....what if there was a programme for a new cast in a new drama or something......I think this was tried once.....I wonder how many pro actors applied....who also said they hate reality shows?

    I think there is way too much reality stuff on TV...but I also feel it has a place and an entertainment value....and I really do not feel reality TV is costing me/us many parts? ....or is it...thoughts?

    • 21st Dec 2009
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  • Reuben Liburd

    Actor

    Simon wont care too much he has made tons of money from xfactor this year and ratings has been at its best but lets just think about it. Why didnt joe whats his name get to number 1?

    well my ccp friends, the wrong person won and thats what I tried to tell everybody who wanted Joe to win but didnt even buy his cd to help him gain number 1 spot.

    Olly should have won and Simon Cowell knows it.

    Reuben Liburd

    ps The only real star from xfactor other than Simon Cowell and Cheryl Cole is of course Leona Lewis.

    • 21st Dec 2009
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    In all honesty ... whom gives a rats arse .... !!.

    • 21st Dec 2009
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  • Forbes KB

    Actor

    Reality shows like this have been going since the dawn on TV! Anyone old enough to remember Opportunity Knocks with Hughie Green? Lenny Henry got his start there and if anyone got the chance to see his Othello there's no debating that mans talent!

    XFaxtor isn't a reality show, it's a talent competition so I have no problem with the XFactor, Strictly or BGT!! I do have a problem with Big Brother, I'm a Celeb, and other shows that you don't need any special skills to participate in!

    Simon is laughing all the way to the bank as Rage against the Machine is also a Sony/BMG artist! Wouldn't surprise me if someone from his office started this whole thing!

    • 21st Dec 2009
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  • Mark Joseph

    Actor

    Forbes, you hit the nail on the head!!! Couple that with the fact that Cowell selects his "real" artists of the current season and signs them anyway, the winner of the show is completely irrelevent, and serves only to hurt Joe's career. I owned Rage albums years ago, so this all seems a bit pointless to me.

    M.

    • 21st Dec 2009
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  • Mia Vore

    Actor

    Good bloody song though ;)

    • 21st Dec 2009
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  • Rob Talbot

    Actor

    I remember, a distant trip down memory lane:

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOOYVCjCdv0

    Maybe I was just too young to notice, but I don't think there was the same "tribalism" surrounding the outcome of the viewer's vote in those days ...

    • 21st Dec 2009
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    Cowell has actually doubled his money, as through sony, he'll get a massive chunk of the rage against the machine money too! So not quite a full proof plan!

    But i'm totally up for a quality band like rage beating x-factor! Like bill hicks said about new kids on the block; something along the lines of:

    'when did banality & medicocrity become good examples & role models for children? I want my children to listen to people that play & write from there heart & Rock!!!!'

    • 21st Dec 2009
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  • Reuben Liburd

    Actor

    I give a rats arse coz I enjoy watching shows like xfactor and britains got talent. I enjoy entertainment and Simon Cowell is good at what he does.

    I dont give a rats arse about other reality shows like big brother.

    • 22nd Dec 2009
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  • Mark Kempner

    Actor

    From what I read and hear....Hughie Green was a bit of a git!!!

    You are right though ...reality TV has always been around.....I can remember my Mum and dad watching Fanny Cradock cooking progs!!

    However I guess the focus on reality TV and or Talent shows- and the focus of avoiding good dramas and TV films when its much cheaper or even more profitable for TV producers to put on reality progs, does and will affect actors more than I imagine?

    I watched the amazing Tim Spall in Britain's fattest man the other evening…..(wasn't Bobby Ball good too!) which was "for me" so much more entertaining than the Simon Cowel PR machine. Sadly, it probably got half the viewing figures of X factor….?

    We need a TV channel dedicated to new writing, films and drama etc etc………….but who would fund it…..who would watch it…..and of course how many of us would get to be on it over and above the usual names and faces. Brick walls wherever you turn innit!!!!

    Maybe it should be suggested to Simon Cowel to start it if he is so interested in giving people an opportunity!!

    • 22nd Dec 2009
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  • Charles Delaney

    Actor

    The other Simon is apparently launching a new reality show in the USA about a bunch of drama school graduates & actors/artists of various talents trying to succeed in their respective careers.

    Not entirely sure on the format but the audience decides who should succeed & er..who shoudn't by phone votes!

    How many of you would apply to be a contestant from this forum??

    • 22nd Dec 2009
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  • Mia Vore

    Actor

    We all would!

    • 22nd Dec 2009
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  • Lee Ravitz

    Actor

    I have been following the Rage developments with some interest via Facebook, ever since it became evident to me that the campaign to get Rage to No. 1 was enthusiastically endorsed by a whole mass of people. I personally feel that it is all a bit 'sound and fury, signifying nothing', not least because a) Very few people actually care what is No. 1 at Christmas any longer, compared to say the interest this may have generated 25-30 years ago (and, not least, because downloading of music has made the significance of Singles sale a virtual non-issue!) and b) the choice of song is singularly inappropriate, IMO (not because it lacks a protesting spirit, and, of course, it has been selected for the refrain of its memorable chorus, 'F*ck you, I won't do what you tell me', but simply because it is very specifically a song about the aftermath of the LA Riots in 1992, and much as I hate the X Factor judges, they seem to have very little in common with the cross burning, white supremacist LAPD cops that the lyrics are actually aimed against, so that when you actually consider the WORDS, it seems an odd sort of song to have chosen to promote.

    BUT I would still defend the whole campaign on the basis that a lot of its significance appears to have been badly misjudged by a (basically biased) press establishment - firstly, there is NO indication that Cowell had any hand in its orchestration - this is a grass roots campaign that emerged solely through the networking possibilities of Facebook.

    Secondly, it is certainly possible that Cowell may himself stand to make money from the result (and so, is laughing all the way to the bank), but at no point did the campaigners imagine otherwise (although some question whether he will see the revenue directly, because he doesn't own the specific labels involved) - they maintained that the campaign was NOT about challenging Cowell's implausible money making (perhaps it should have been!) - and ensured that percentages of all of their sales went to charity, so that the homeless charity Shelter is said to have raised £60,000 by this means. This may have been in part a self-interestedly 'right on' aspect of the campaign designed to emphasise the 'higher moral ground' that the Rage campaigners felt themselves to be promoting, but if the money gets delivered, then I'm sure the charity won't be arguing with the outcome.

    Thirdly, the whole emphasis of the campaign was that a large proportion of people in common wished to protest the bland, homogenised and inspid brand of pop that Cowell and his X-Factor machine churn out year in, year out - deliberately coinciding release so as to ensure maximum publicity and monopoly dominance at the time that Christmas hits. Whether or not the chosen song was felt to be an appropriate example of more 'valid' genre music or otherwise (a lot of people hate it), the significance of the protest was its intention to re-establish the fact that there is a much, much wider realm of musical choice out there than the sort of force fed pap that the Cowell machine produces for our consumption. Rage's song is most certainly an example of a grungy, early 90's rock sound that by no means appeals to the majority (I'm no great fan myself), but I would like to think any lover of jazz, reggae, punk rock, 50's rock n' roll, trad blues, jungle, techno, heavy metal, Latino jazz, funk, Northern Soul or indeed, any of the numerous innovative and inventive genres that have characterised the development of true rock and pop over the past 60-70 years would have supported the principle of the campaign at least - a simple recognition that popular music has more to it than banal covers of Miley Cyrus songs!!!

    I have no doubt that the X Factor will still be back next year though, and that Simon Cowell will probably land the *next* Christmas Number 1. So it goes.

    • 22nd Dec 2009
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  • Neill Scullard

    Actor

    i know cowell made a mint. that was always going to happen regardless.

    i'm mostly happy because for the first time in years its been a mystery who was going to get xmas number 1 instead of it being no question it'd be the x-factor winner! years ago its could be between several artists but for years it wasn't the case thanks to x-factor and for me that de-valued being xmas number 1.

    • 22nd Dec 2009
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    Simon Cowell does not own Sony/BMG.....he owns Syco and Simco which are under license from Sony records....they're much smaller labels that have no dealing with Rage Against the Machine. Simon will not benefit from them getting to number one.

    The point of the internet campaign was to stop the x factor from taking over the xmas number one every year as the campaigners believe this has taken away the tradition and excitement of xmas number one because its so damn predictable. No one has cared about the number one since x factor started and this yr a little bit of the excitement was brought back.

    • 23rd Dec 2009
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  • Lee Ravitz

    Actor

    Those last comments are true - it is worth noting that the original creators of the campaigns intended it as a joke protest that took off to an extent they could never have predicted, and that Simon Cowell himself (for what it's worth) ended up congratulating them on making the 'race for No. 1' contentious for the first time in years.

    • 23rd Dec 2009
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    But what's more insidious Lee ... Cowell has taken them onboard !!!

    • 23rd Dec 2009
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  • Lee Ravitz

    Actor

    Well, sort of, Allan...I believe he has attempted to co-opt them - whether they themselves take this seriously or otherwise is another question. Clearly, Cowell's comment was either a) a bad loser attempting to be gracious about his loss or b) an attempt to take the sting out of the campaign win by intimating that he had tacitly supported its aims all along. It is Machiavellian, alright, but then, this is what he does on the 'X Factor' itself week upon week - the great scandal of the year (supposedly) was the fact that Simon had felt it expedient to criticise the twins John and Edward for making his 'talent show' into a 'joke' when it suited him to attack them (and via them the credentials of his fellow judge, Louis Walsh) and then, to make a complete turnaround at the mid-point of the series, by declaring that John and Edward were 'fun' and 'entertaining' and 'made the show' when he came to the realisation that the public voice was coming out strongly in favour of the underdog. He knew it would make good TV, keep the ratings high etc. etc. and had no qualms about the blatant contradiction in attitude. Then again, many members of the public appear to have been genuinely shocked by the fact that Simon was so 'hypocritical'. I don't think he's hypocritical at all, because a hypocrite has to maintain that they believe one thing, and then show themselves to uphold something totally different. In fact, Simon has no standard to adhere to, and simply works on the basis of opportunism and expediency - this is undoubtedly what got him to the top of his profession in the first place. Like I say, it's actually straight out of 'The Prince'!

    I do agree that the fact that the Facebook campaigners have (tacitly) suggested they might meet Simon for a celebratory drink if he's available is a bit much, though! Still, where do you draw a line? Rage Against the Machine came in on the campaign late, and holding a concert to mark the 'victory' is clearly something very beneficial for a group who are no longer extant in their original form, and have collectively lost a lot of the cachet they once maintained 15 years ago. It can't be denied that the publicity this has given the group is of tremendous benefit to all its members. Then again, if it happened to be your band's song that had been chosen to lead this remarkable protest, why wouldn't you want to capitalise on it? And why shouldn't you, when you performed and created the track in the first place?

    • 23rd Dec 2009
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    Seems to be no difference between Cowell ... and a certain Mr. Blair !!!!!

    • 23rd Dec 2009
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