New cast member -emmerdale ;- from a game show ???

so folks , latest news ;-

apparently , a contestant from the new dating show "take me out " , after featuring on one episode , has been contacted by bosses of " Emmerdale " and offered a regular role ??? is this true , and if so , how come its allowed ??


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I saw that in a paper...but they made it sound like he would be an extra?
You get the impression most of those contestants have some aspirations to join the entertainment world....a sign of the times I fear.


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Nathan Head
Actor

hmmm that is a bit annoying if this person got a good role. Just from being on a gameshow.

But people who generally go on those shows are media-seekers and it wouldn't surprise me if the person in question contacted the press themselves to say they were in the soap. it's probably just regular extra work, which I guess they did anyway, but are saying this to get the press.

but if it's true, what a swizz! maybe i should go on that show to get a part


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Lee Ravitz
Actor

It does sound like a publicity stunt, to be honest, and I suspect its 'allowed' because, who, at the end of the day, is accountable for it? The program makers probably hope to up the viewing figures a little if the 'notoriety' of having Mr (whoever he is) involved will increase people's curiosity for an episode or two (or even if it will just net them, and their show, a few more column inches of discussion in the newspapers), and those on the set probably just have to grit their teeth and bear his presence (regardless of whether or not they are professionals who are seething inside at the depths to which the show is stooping to net viewers). If he's only performing the duties of an extra, anyway, all this is fairly by the by in some sense (though, in another sense, it does appear to be the thin end of the wedge, serving to encourage the ever increasing attitude of 'wannabeism' that plagues the modern profession. It would certainly appear that a frightening, and vicious, circle has been created within the industry - not only is acting as a profession increasingly oversubscribed by all manner of serious actors, good, bad and indifferent, and, in truth, more than the industry can support, but the fact that everyone now wants to be 'famous for five minutes' or thinks 'I could have a crack at that' is opening profitable markets to the producers who make ultimate casting decisions. What is better calculated to get everyone watching, talking and tuning in than giving the 'wannabes' the breaks they aspire to, and telling everyone, a la reality TV, 'look, appearing on TV is possible for him. It may be possible for you, too'? Who wants to watch a professional who is well honed in their craft anymore, when, during, say, an interview, they would only remind you how hard they have had to work to achieve what they do? Production attitudes of this sort are truly beginning to reduce a once proud industry to the status of Jim'll Fix It for the masses!).

This would never have been allowable, of course, in the days of a closed shop actors union, but we have not had one of those for twenty years! Perhaps Equity should have more teeth, regardless, and protest this sort of behaviour with some degree of determination - which they appear to be highly reluctant to do, in most cases. I am not quite sure why, as one would have thought that the union should, even in this day and age, still be concerned with such blatant displays of contempt for the skilled work of the acting profession that it purports to represent - but, at heart, there often seems to be a resignedness at play. After all, no-one is accountable to the Union, anymore. It could protest all it liked, and still be ignored (and frequently is, in matters such as e.g. NMW disputes). There is no oversight body watchdog that is demanding program makers only source labour from reputable arenas. There isn't even anything set in stone about what people deserve to be paid for the use of their skills on screen in most cases, other than the fact that they shouldn't work for free if they are doing a contracted job of work (as you might dress the role we are discussing up as a 'competition prize', maybe Mr. Whoever he is won't be paid for his time, either - and may still be grateful for the exposure and the opportunity!).

What we could really do with is mass boycotts or protests about this sort of thing, which might get the greivance per se noticed - but I suspect most actors would still declare that they had no wish to rock the boat over such 'minor' infractions, and consider the sort of part being taken here to be beneath their interest, anyway, and thus, irrelevant.

Still, a wise acting teacher once said that the only qualification one requires for acting is, unfortunately, being able to move and talk at the same time. Naturally, he was the first to point out that good acting only comes through years of application and attention to the craft. But we live in an age when most people aren't they bothered whether the acting's beautiful or not. They tend to be satisfied with the fact that someone can move and walk at the same time. And when you're working at that level of thinking, anyone does as well as the next man or woman!


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Lee Ravitz
Actor

Having read Nathan's post, that's an interesting idea as well - that the guy is a regular background artist who then went on the gameshow, and is attempting to drum up more custom for himself by selling his stories off the back of his appearance.

But it wouldn't be the first time a caster has noticed a 'character' on the TV and decided to offer them work on the basis of it. To an extent, of course, this is all casting directors are doing when they source actors - viewing their work, and offering them jobs - and it isn't unknown for an actor to be cast because somebody, somewhere, 'saw them' in something.

And, if its only an extras role, where is the gripe, anyway? It's not as if he is being asked to perform a major role in the show - runs the argument.

The trouble is, most casting directors could defend this sort of casting decision with alacrity. Who is to dictate to them who they do or do not choose to cast, or what criteria they choose to cast on? And the short answer is nobody. It is sometimes welcoming to hear a casting director state that they don't care what drama school you went to, or even if you went to drama school at all, nor what experience you have, if you can 'provide them with the goods'. Many of us, as jobbing actors who cannot claim the levels of 'experience' won by actors with better initial connections, are very thankful to know that there is some flexibility in what a casting director looks for when casting. Yet, the other side of the coin is this - what is the real difference between your work as a trained, jobbing actor and some nobody who has never acted a day in their life, if the primary criteria for casting is whether or not the look fits, or the natural personality is right. It *is* clear, no matter what anyone would have you believe, that an untrained performer is incapable of creating a believable characterisation in the way a trained actor can - but so much screen work demands that a performer just 'be themselves' that this scarcely matters. Everyone can just 'be themselves' convincingly enough for a few minutes at a time. When that's all that's asked for what stops a casting director simply saying 'Well, that's my choice, and I'm the casting director'. Or a producer saying the same thing, at a slightly higher up level of influence. The only real block on this type of behaviour would be if the Union had power to strike/boycott or otherwise withhold labour and/or recognition of a project if they felt a non professional was being given work that is rightfully the purview only of professionals. But there is no closed shop anymore. The marketplace is open. The casting directors and producers are not accountable to anyone (except maybe their book-keepers) for their choices. What else can be said?


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Just to put the cat among the pigeons, applicants for that show were sourced from a casting website so maybe some (though possibly not all) were professional (?) actors to begin with.

:-)


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Kirsty Minchella-Storer
Actor, Singer

the fact it is that more and more these days trained actors/singers/dancers are being replaced by 'celebrity' type folk who lack the skill a lot of the time. It is merely to name drop "look who's in our show" and in a way, if it gets bums on seats and people going to the theatre (or in this case, watching emmerdale) then i'm not sure i have anything against.

Lucy Jones from X Factor has been given the part of Cosette in Les Miserables. A friend of mine saw her and thought she was absolutely shocking and it was only later that he realised she was an x factor contestant.

It's a horrible fact...but i don't think we can do much else other then embrace it and enter X Factor...or Take Me Out ^_^


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Forbes KB
Actor

You can bet your ass if contestants were sourced from a casting site it wouldn't be a site that vets their clients where anyone can put up a few holiday snaps of themselves and call themselves a actor/model/singer for a fee! We all know which site I'm referring to! That site in particular is the feeding ground for all the tabloids, low budget/amateur film-makers and/or students who need people to go in front of a camera or tell their story to fill column inches but usually don't want to pay them a penny for it!

In these days of "everyone can be a celebrity" there's always people out there looking to exploit whatever talent you do, or even don't, have for their own needs!

X


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Guy Press
Actor

Hi All,

This has been going on for a wee while. Some actors have used these type of shows for publicity whilst they were unknown. In some cases it seems to have worked - though god knows why!

Does anyone remember Amanda Holden on Blind Date?

Likewise Yorks TV set up a soap star tv talent show competition. The prizes were roles in a new family for Emmerdale. It was a car crash and the family were written out and sacked after 6 months.

As long as crap Entertainment TV execs commission this sort of crap and the public swallow it, it will exist....unfortunately.

Best to all,

Guy ;-)


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Paddy McGuinness in on 'This Morning' right now and have just confirmed that "one o the lads off this series has got a part on Emmerdale. The producers saw him on t'show and rang him up..."

I give up...


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Given we don't actually know whether any of the contestants have undertaken acting training, I don't think we're in the best position to comment until more details are released. :-/

In soaps they tend to like to cast people as close to their real life character as possible, don't they? I can see why an emmerdale casting director might, after some time of fruitlessly searching for the right actor for an upcoming role, might see what they want in a personality on that show. The soap is full of similarly quirky characters - we might all be surprised by the results!

Obviously, it's frustrating to think that we have to make a choice between appearing like a berk on a gameshow and doing things the proper way in order to get that break but I don't think it's that new. There's always someone been there at the right time in the right place.

We've chosen the hard slog obviously, but that's usually the best route to be fair. Big breaks of this kind are more noticeable because of the hype but loads of hardworking actors will get their chance too elsewhere.

Keep focusing on what you can give and don't give up hope.


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I simply have to add that, like all castings, they clearly had the right look! Gx


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Nathan Head
Actor

Tricia, you should SO be an acting counsellor. You said EVERYTHING I needed to hear. Seriously

thanks x

I feel a little better having read your post


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Dare I point out the number of so called models who come from very rich society families.

And also not forgetting the showbiz kids who are suddenly actors and models.

Ozzy Osbournes kids.Ones presenting his own show,his daughter is a judge on some fashion or modelling show.Who the hell gave her the right to judge anybody.

Hang on I dont watch it ,but isnt she also a judge of some talent show as well.

It just goes to show that you dont know who will or wont get a break.It isnt all about hard work or talent,it isnt always about contacts.But hey they help.

I was told by someone that we all get the same ammount of chances in life,Its knowing how to make the best of them.
If you get a minor role,do it well.If you have a showreel,then send it to the world and his wife.

If you really want a chance ,then keep going.Sooner or later it will come along.

The question is will you be ready for it.....


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Hi someone wrote a post about Amanda Holden on Blind Date, but she was at Drama school at the time in the first year when I was a third year. Re: Take me out, a couple of my last years students appeared on the show and are now always missing from college as they have been offered lots of promotional work and an agent wanted to sign them up. Also on the current series another of my x-students is on and she's now appearing in lots of magazines. It is annoying though but at least they are already interested in performing arts and have had some training.
I reckon it makes you feel better when you congratulate yourself on the fact that you are not a one-hit wonder forgotten tomorrow but have talent and drive and ambition. I know it doesn't pay the bills but I would hate to become a celebrity from being bad at something or some kind of laughing stock.


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Guy Press
Actor

People have indeed been pimping themselves on crap Entertainment shows for years - I made the ref to Amanda H - Nicola ;-) .
Some have trained and some have not. Whether they maintain any credibility and succeed after, is up to the individual to decide.
In the current climate we shouldn't be surprised by anything! Including this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL59DALKAWg&feature=player_embedded


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Brilliant - thanks Guy :-D


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Point very well made GUY D. x


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Guy Press
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You're welcome Ladies!

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Best for now,

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Guy, that is genius! Loved it!


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Guy Press
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