Why Self Tape ?

charles delaney
Actor, Singer

What 's this obsession with 'self taping'?

Is there any point in an actor investing the time,energy & money producing a show reel if some people insist on submitting a 'self tape'?!

The irony of the 'selfie tape' is that it can be rehearsed several times before submitting therefore the actor's true ability is unseen where as a live audition (filmed) provides an ideal opportunity for the actor's true ability to be assessed by the casting team. ( and several other mutual advantages for example does the actor take direction well?!)

I appreciate location may be an issue at times i.e. the production company is based in the North Pole and therefore the self tape could be useful perhaps which brings me back to my point/question; What's the point of having a show reel in the first place?!!

CD


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Really grateful for this discussion & the replies Charles so diving in. Being a senior luvvie (25 years in the business & still going) This new 'self taping' fad does not sit well with me either. I sense CCP's pushing it as a service is rooted more in their board of directors', or whoever, misguided thinking that it will attract more CD/Producer subscribers & boost the coffers overlooking, consciously or not, it's practicality for the majority of their subscribers, actors, who include us who are older & less tech' savvy; which makes me wonder if any of their AT boffins are older than 25 . So I agree Charles they should have asked subscribers before initiating the service. As we know, professional actors are the main production element without which their project could never be created & we have been grieved & dismayed enough by the way we are occasionally received with much sufferance like a last minute 'add on' at castings anyway, so this cold, indifferent, isolated, 'online window shopping' of us, like an Amazon product is rather ignorant. Co creating a project needs a relationship, a genuine human connection from the outset, asking for a 'Self Tape' is as 'relational' & 'Rational' as long distance online dating. In my opinion.


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Vicki Glover
Actor

That's interesting that you have found that most companies prefer a link, Andy. Do you know why that is? I used to do as you do but found I had some problems with sending the link, especially if the employer wanted the video set to private. I've found unlisted tricky because although you can't view it without knowing the link, it is still technically viewable by anyone, and I know that some employers don't want this (some of course are fine with it!).


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Vicki Glover
Actor

That's really good to know, I didn't know about those potential issues :) thanks for the info!


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charles delaney
Actor, Singer

Thanks for the technical update Andy !
(btw, 'Selfie tapes' are a play on words by me!

We know about Hugh and Jenn but they were not location friendly at the time of their castings. I've mentioned this particular benefit of 'selfie tapes' in my previous posts. (Eskimo based in Alaska ect)

Excellent points in Stephen's post. A main issue is the lack of actual live interaction with the casting team for example can the actor actually take direction?. I've mentioned all this and more in my previous posts.

Another point of mine is that the 'selfie tape' allows for too much rehearsal before submitting the 'casting' therefore eliminating the opportunity for the casting team to consider an actor's ability to improv a scene or workshop the character in the room.

ps.You can see from my show reel I can do a great 'sex crazed vampire'!


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I had to weigh in on this discussion a little bit. I often receive responses for self taped auditions once i have applied and the CD has looked through my profile etc and decided I'm worth auditioning.

I HATE self tapes. Mine are awful. I don't want to have to worry about finding a peaceful place to record them (or telling my flat mates to be quiet), finding a decent camera (either phone or laptop is all I have), and the most difficult thing - someone to read with who will spend the time pressing record and stop as well as reading all of the other lines. An actor shouldn't have to worry about lighting, or sound, or other people or ensuring that he/she has set up something that might resemble the director's vision. Self tapes are ludicrous.

Furthermore, I've been advised by some CDs that they have no imagination - so unless they see you doing the scene in something that looks like the location and setting, they're not likely to cast you. Another thing is that if it isn't sent off almost instantly, the chances of getting it seen are slim. So essentially, one has to be ready at the drop of a hat to learn lines, find a friend, set everything up and send off the audition.

Self tapes allow the actor to give their best chance at their worst possible audition.


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I like Skype auditions though - live interaction is the way to go.


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Jeremy Reece
Actor

The selfie system on CCP using my cam produces (on my PC at least) a very low quality image and buzzy sound - much as I experience with Skype (good old BT copper wires broadband). However, I got a corporate video job in March through this (although the director asked me to re-record it - which I did using an i-pad and loading the video onto CCP. It was a dualog - but I just did my lines). I also got short listed as 1 in 7 for a face-to-face audition this month in London due to a self tape - but sadly didn't get that job. The main advantage for me is that a round trip to London allowing for fuel and depreciation cost me £100 and the video effectively costs nothing so if I can get through the first stages of audition that way it is cost effective.


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Vicki Glover
Actor

I have to say since my previous posts I have gone off self-tape auditions a lot more. I will do them - but I would much prefer to be seen in person if I'm avaliable and/or able to travel. I have got jobs through self-tape auditions and for that reason I think they're sometimes worth doing, but I don't think they're any less work than attending a live casting (sometimes more if as Nicken says you need to find an appropriate reader/location etc), and I have had to start turning some of them down as - because of the amount of work that needs to go into them and because of the amount of other work I need to do - I don't have time to do a decent one. Or I have to schedule them into my week, which sometimes means they don't get done for a few days.

Obviously if I can't attend the live casting for whatever reason, the option of a self-tape is always appreciated :) but I do think it puts you at a disadvantage when compared to actors they have seen live. And I don't think it necessarily shows the casting people who would be best for the role - it shows who has the skill and time to create the best audition video (obviously acting is part of this, but it hampers those who don't have great technical knowledge or easy access to locations/readers - neither of which is needed when actually playing a role).


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charles delaney
Actor, Singer

....so I did a 'selfie tape' for a corporate and I got the gig last week. Woooooppeeee!
I did the 'selfie tape' because the set up requirements were minimal
( no other actors required in the scene/office & location not Mount Everest base camp!) and i had an hour to spare in front of my PC and used CCP's webcam which was adequate.

If I see a 'selfie tape' request at the initial application stage, I will now look at the brief and make a judgement call on whether the requirements are realistic,;do I have sufficient time to complete it and if the project itself is one I would want to be a part of ect.?

Nicken & Vicki's posts support my earlier criticism of 'selfie tapes'
Vicki's point that you might as well have gone to the audition in person as 'selfie tapes' are not less work and time( if there was a place to go for the audition that is rather than also spend 2 hours looking for a stuffed bear and a goldfish prop and then trying to convince the builder outside on the scaffolding to read the script with you!) Also, this shouldn't be about finding someone who has great technical 'selfie tape' skills & then can't act !

Live auditions are the best way of finding the right actor for the role.
ps.Skype I agree is better than 'selfie tapes' as it's live interaction and saves on the cost of flying to L.A. !
( but the picture on Skype 'freeze's' sometimes & makes me look like I've run out of talent ! :)


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charles delaney
Actor, Singer

....just seen a self tape requirement for a corporate film which has nonsense shoot directions!
A typical example of why some selfie taping requirements should be
made prohibitive.
In fact my proposal to CCP is to allow 2 maximum film directions (which are realistically possible to complete by the actor)
when employers submit castings..


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I agree with pretty much all of the points I've read here.

As an actor who also works on the casting side of productions, I can say I would never ask for an audition tape from an actor.

When I arrange a casting time slot with an actor who has applied for a role, normally with one to two weeks' notice and having stated they would need to be available on the date the auditions are being held, in the casting breakdown, anyway, I get some replies from actors asking if they can send in a self-tape or do a Skype audition instead, which gives me the impression that they're either lazy, unreliable as they originally said they were available to attend the audition on the pre-arranged date, in the area that was also mentioned in the casting breakdown, or that they're possibly agoraphobic. It gives me no indication of whether they can be punctual or are capable of finding a location when they've been given an address. (It's surprising how many people find this difficult!) A taped audition doesn't show me how an actor interacts with other performers, how well he or she takes direction or what kind of dynamic they will bring to the cast - whether or not they work well with the rest of the team. I receive hundreds of applications every week and still invite most of the applicants to come and audition. A copied and pasted message to each of them with a different appointment time in each, saves a lot of time. Again, it's surprising what small percentage of the hundred or so actually turn up to audition, which is another reason I think it's important to meet an actor in person before casting them - submitting a tape doesn't necessarily mean the actor is serious about wanting to play the role or that they won't crumble with nervousness if anyone is watching them.

I can understand that some producers/directors/casting directors might find it costly to find a venue at which to hold auditions but where there's a will, there's a way and if the production's worth making, it's surely worth hiring a venue to make sure the right actors are cast. If it's organised well enough in advance, there should be something within budget if a venue can't be sought for free.

As an actor, I've been sent scripts for audition tapes which involved at least 3 other actors with whom to interact, sometimes with the character moving to different rooms! Again, this poses the obvious problems! I can understand if it's a last minute thing because an actor has dropped out the day before and I have actually submitted a tape in that situation and been cast. Fortunately, on this occasion, I didn't have to find someone at a moment's notice to read any other parts. Otherwise, I think it's more valuable for a casting director to meet an actor than just watch what they've recorded, on a screen, unaware of how many takes it took them to get it right and unaware of whether they could have played it the way the director imagined it if they could have been in his or her presence, receiving direction.


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Hoorah Suzi right on the button in my opinion.


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Generaly speaking it's all about money.
Trained professionals are taught not to pay money to hire an actor.
Why on earth would they pay money to hire a room to audition actors.
Bet your life they pay to hire the cameras and lights later though.
I think of it, as a Screen Test. Hopefully I look like exactly like the cartoon character on their story board.
Job done :)


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charles delaney
Actor, Singer

Thanks for your posting Suzi which has added much gravitas to the point that self taping is a complete waste of time and causes much inconvenience all round.


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I think we should ask for a tape of them directing.They are requested by lazy directors ,the last thing anyone should be thinking about when they are acting/auditioning is lighting,sound,camerawork,editing,compressing ,and uploading it.I usually do the best acting I can do with the worst quality,so next time,hopefully they'll do a proper casting in a proper studio and, direct you!Rant rant rant


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I've just had to upload and submit a 2 second shot of my desk because it's still the case that if an employer selects the self-tape for what they think of as "optional", it means it's impossible to apply without something being recorded opr uploaded as part of the application. In this case there was no script or instructions, so I assume it was accidentally made part of the application.

A while ago I had the absurd situation of having to re-upload a clip on to an application, a clip that is already on my profile. Just to satisfy the Mandy software, in a case where the employer had asked for a self tape only if no showreel clips were available. I got that job and when I was on it chatted to the employer about this. He had no idea that the (then CCP) site behaved like this for actors when applying.


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Hi All,

I've had many a job from self tapes, firstly they look at reels, from over 98 applicants for one of the jobs I applied for, then from 30 people they auditioned, via Skype I may add, which is another way casting directors, producers and directors are veering towards these days, they got it down to 6. Self tapes are the new thing, they are using them all over the world, easy for me who lives in Surrey and with a 4 year old daughter, I juggle her as it is but I am finding more and more Self tapes are the way casting is going. I auditioned just last week for a commercial via Skype again.
Usually though after a self tape, if they want me, I generally meet the crew.

I have to say it works for me. I know I'm going against consensus here but it doesn't work for everyone. Casting dir don't have to pay for rooms, normally quite expensive rooms so are finding it helps them.

Keep on taping,

Caroline


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charles delaney
Actor, Singer

Yes, Skype castings work because they are live! The 'selfie tape' option is another opportunity
for artists who are OOT and have a life to submit and 'spin the wheel' or even 'throw the dice' at getting cast for something. The thing is, 'selfie tapes' are pre-prepared and do not reveal the artist's true ability or potential in my opinion. If they're casting in L.A. , Skype is brilliant!
It Saves on travel /accommodation/ per diem costs & as already mentioned,it's live.
I've done Skype auditions and been cast a couple of times from them.


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