Why Does 'Colour' Matter

ANIKKA FORBES
Actor, Talent

I just thought I'd put it out there as a question that I keep asking myself when it comes to Casting Ads where majority of them on her simply request White or Caucasian females. I was just about to put myself forward for the Big Brother Casting Ad but unfortunately my 'Colour' doesn't fit. Why can't people just be cast for their Look, Style or Ability' rather than the colour of there skin!!! Because it's doesn't mean that because you are White, Black, Asian, Chinese, etc that you will do a better job...than another person of a different race, so the day 'Colour' is eliminated from the Acting world the more opportunities will become available for all ethnicities!!!!!!


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I think James Williams makes some excellent points about this coming down to demographics/populace. I think Mark is spot on too. I guess we will all have a slightly differing opinion. But my comment about hair colour for example, is not limited to commercials at all, I often see a TV/film role specifying blonde/brunette, it is just that that is the vision of the character they have. So be it. I don't consider it 'gingerism'! When their vision is for a redhead, for whatever reason, I will have the opportunity for the casting.

Mark's comment about being Jewish, and that (tongue in cheek) 'The Christians are getting all the work' - had me laughing out loud. Just what we need for a Friday ;-))


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Dan Gregory
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I used Aykbourn for the same reason as you have just said said Mark. He accurately portrays certain elements of the English Middle classes and I would never consider him to be a racist. But a director who does not realise that there are many such characters outwith the White Middle classes is missing the point that we are now a multicultural society where people of all races now have the same aspirations (or faults in many cases).
I saw a production of The Norman Conquests performed by a predominantly black cast in the USA. It worked perfectly! Has such a thing happened here? Should we only cast Scandinavians in Ibsen or Strindberg? Only dark haired women in Lorca? I think not.


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If you say so Dan!

BTW SLIM BACK ACTRESSES: If you go on CCP's FREYA BERRY's FaceBook Page....her friend: http://www.facebook.com/hposelay is looking for a slim BLACK actress for his movie. Though why the part is not open to a balding white Jewish Guy needs looking at I feel!!!

The request for a slim Back actress is real BTW


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Like I said, there's nothing racist about looking for actors of a certain ethnicity if the role calls for it or if it's written that way.

The fact the industry thinks it's a real problem, that such a large number of well-known actors, writers, directors, theatre companies, CDs, organisations, etc. have said it's a problem, says something. I'm not willing to dismiss all those people (who are far more experienced than me) as PC-crazed numpties out of hand without doing any research myself.

This is an incredibly complex issue - it's really not possible to simplify it this much.


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.....'slim black actress'... and there could open another debate - weight in the media - is specifying slim 'fatism'? NO. It is their vision of the character.


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Lee Ravitz
Actor

I wouldn't disagree that this is a complex, and emotive, issue, but is it not curious that, if 'writers, directors, theatre companies, CDs, organisations, etc' are so aware prejudice is a problem they are beating their chests about it, yet doing nothing to rectify the situation? I actually cannot believe that the situation is quite so atrocious as some of these posts are making out, because we are no longer living in a society where all of the casting directors, writers, directors etc. are themselves members of a WASP male establishment. There are Black casting directors, Asian casting directors, Irish casting directors, plenty of Jewish casting directors and they are among the most influential people in our entire industry. There are increasingly strong moves (at the top tier of the industry, at least) to cast 'colour blind' work. There are actors of 'ethnicity' being given lead roles in prime time television. All of this marks a lot of progress in this industry compared to where it was in e.g. the 1950's, when it was riddled with racism, anti-semitism, Imperial elitism and so on.

Of course, the endemic limitations of the industry continue to prevail: Equity has a standing set of Equalities Committees for a reason, and they exist in order to ensure that equal opportunities law is upheld, the maximum number of opportunities for 'ethnic' casting are made available, and any serious infraction of race relations, defamation etc. is severely dealt with when it occurs. The system isn't perfect, and nor can it be totally policed.

Dan's point also has its validity, which is really to say, why is casting so automatically assumptionist, and e.g. more Ayckbourn plays are *not* cast with e.g. a Black cast? To which the only answer must be: because the casting director/producer/director etc. lacks imagination and/or wishes to honour the original conception of the work etc. etc. etc.

Yet, we do progress in relation to these issues decade by decade. In the 1960's, it was still very uncommon for ethnic actors to *be* working in the UK profession, and there were still prevalent practices of making up white actors to play 'ethnic' parts and the writing of scripts parading actively racist assumptions. By the 70's, we had progressed to inclusion of actual Black, Asian etc. actors, Jews were allowed to play Jews and so on, but the scripts were still often deeply offensive, often casting the actors as stereotypes, figures of fun and/or villains. By the 80's and 90's, the scripts had become broadly less offensive, but actors of 'ethnicity' were still being relegated to minor roles. We have now started, in the 21st century, to allow leading roles, romantic subplots, inter-racial relationships, and so on to be taken on by ethnic actors in prime time television, on stage etc. etc. There are still, perhaps, too few of these roles offered in comparison to those offered to a White British majority, however. The next stage of development may indeed see more movement towards what Dan suggests: an abandonment of the feeling that plays have to be circumscribed by the notions of the era in which they were written and can be performed by anyone, of any race or creed: there are already many leading stage companies that *do* pursue work in this way. Screen work may be harder to 'democratise' in this manner, because versimiltude is more vital to it - but, in point of fact, the world of screen is already considerably more integrationist than the world of stage.

Naturally, these stages of development have paralled the nature of the culture as a whole: it is easy to forget what a shock to the system of the White majority it was in e.g. the 1950's and early 1960's when the first major influxes of immigrants from the colonies reached British shores. It is easy to forget how blatantly anti-semitic Britain was in the days of Moseley, and post World War II. It is easy to forget how much resentment was felt about the Irish presence in Britain three decades ago. The stage and screen profession paraded and paralled wider attitudes. Today, we live in a much better integrated, more tolerant, pluralist society than was once the case, and this should be reflected better in our industry, perhaps. But I am still convinced that, however uphill the struggle may seem at times, we are still far, far better off in these respects than we have ever been.


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Farah Sardar
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I think Naomi & Dan have both made good points.

The whole thing is very complex. Personally I am more drawn to roles where I feel 'normalised' - I feel this reflects Britain today.

Like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ivOhGoNZ3s&feature=plcp

And if I'm honest, my heart sinks to my stomach when I'm asked to play the 'traditional asian'. Because I feel I've got so much more to offer.

However, generally I'd say my experience sofar in the acting world has been positive.

Love to all. xxx


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Dan Gregory
Actor

Thanks Naomi, Lee & Farah.
I only wish I could make my point as well as Lee always does.


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Well said Lee. There are so many great people talking about and working on this, and imo there has been great progress which will continue. They should be applauded, not dismissed, so others are encouraged to follow their lead where appropriate.

Unfortunately they're not all in a position to do anything, though -- look how many successful black British actors have stated they had to move to the US because of poor racial attitudes in the UK industry.

http://www.channel4.com/news/hollywood-hails-for-black-british-actors

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2012/feb/05/black-british-actors-america

These things don't just affect us; the media is a powerful tool in society. If the media only ever portrayed black actors as thugs or Islamic actors as terrorists, that does affect societal beliefs.


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charles delaney
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Too much emphasis on look overall I feel.(Despite what I said earlier!)
Sort of brings it back to the original post. More casting folks need a wider imagination although the Beeb & the National lead the way in this area I feel.
A lot of USA CD's lurv to 'pigeon hole'(Oh no not that feckin' game again!!) actors but what do they know in all honesty?
They cast the lead character of 'House' by video link & thought he was American!
Strange but true apparently!


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If any of you guys have the time, listen to Dave Chapelle's interview on 'Inside the Actor's Studio'.
Even though America doesn't have the same race issues in terms of casting that Britain does, he makes reference to an occassion where one of the shows that he wrote became very popular and he suddenly found himself around a table with Execs for HBO or some other huge company.
The bottom line on their lips were, there aren't enough white characters in your show and such we need you to re-cast a black actress with a white and blonde haired one.
Now Dave Chappelle has no problem with white people but you can imagine how this moment of corporate whoredom got to Chappelle or how it would get to anyone for that matter regardless of what their script was about.

As I said before, it's all about demographics and as most of you will know, Acting as far as the screen is concerned is no longer an art form. It's MONEY and nothing else.

So on one hand I may agree with those who say casting is casting and that colour is less of a racial problem and more of a character driven choice.

On the other, I would urge everyone to understand that if the production companies are concerned about making profits which we know they are, we can almost gaurantee that they will always create TV shows that the mass populace can invest in. And if the mass population of Britain doesn't get a kick out of watching shows filled with Black Actors, then the show isn't going to get made.

This is where America differs, they have so many shows simply about white families, black families, mexican families but the shows do really well because America for one is very mixed and 2, in America it's not so much about what colour you are but more about the condition of being an AMERICAN.
So in actual fact, you will have plenty of white viewers happy to watch a TV show about a black family and this will reflected not only by word of mouth but also in the ratings.

So while I am not one to say that casting is racist here in Britain, we all have to accept or at least be aware that by default of BUSINESS (the act of making money), acting in this country is 'inherently racist'.

However, things will change very soon because at some point it's going to annoy Britain if all their ethnic talent goes abroad which I my self want to do, so rest assured, the issue will not be an issue for too long. So long as cash is King, the money will go where the PEOPLE want it to.


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*applauds Lee*


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charles delaney
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James' point about this being more about business,demographics & what the audience wants here & now in the USA is very acurate & also it seems more prevalent here in the UK.
Do CD's,producers really have an understanding on what the audience wants though!?
Genres vary upon delivery of the answer
to this question in my view !


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James makes an brilliant point -- it's not that individuals within the industry are racist, it's the industry responding to what they believe will and won't sell (though I still think ignorance/
subconscious stereotyping can play a part sometimes - see the Slate article for examples).

Having said that I think the industry sometimes underestimates the public. Look at GLB actors, Hollywood believes people won't accept a gay man playing straight so gay US actors are under huge pressure to stay closeted. But it's not like gay actors are getting cast as straight romantic leads and those projects are flopping, so how can they be so certain? Perhaps society is more willing to watch non-white casts that the industry fears?


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Guy Press
Actor

Interesting discussion....
Myself I just cast what's right for the part, regardless of race, colour, ethnicity, sex, creed, shoe size, humour or inside leg measurement. Everyone has prejudices and opinions as long as they're not bigoted surely that's what counts. Will all discriminate as long as it's not for nasty reasons surely that is ok?

Best to ALL!!!

Guy ;-)


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