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Hi, I am wondering what levels of training everyone has had and whether people like myself stand a chance in the industry without having trained at the Credited drama schools, what are your opinions? thanks.


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I am not sure I believe the 'Spotlight' thing, my membership has definately gone through as I recieved a letter of confirmation this morning and I havent been to drama school. Lets hope this doesn't change ;-)


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Its a fair point about respect. Drama training does confer a certain level of credibility and the majority do deserve that respect for that training. But it is a fact that many people deserving of the title of actor simply could never afford training or find the time to work the hours needed to afford that training.

Secondly, there IS a industry bias towards accredited training as proof of having ability.

Its not a bad thing but spotlight and equity and other organisations reinforce that bias with the entry criteria. It is necessary to prove the aforementioned 'commitment' but it only goes to make people without training feel inferior. How they respond to that is up to the individual.

For me it meant I had more to prove to myself and gave me drive to get out there and succeed.


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Ok lets just say that i have found a school or academy that has a course that i like and want to do, but could not aford the fees. in order to do this i would have to apply for a grant of some kind or a loan. Who would i apply too? and how would i go about trying to get this grant or loan?. And would i be able to apply for it at my age ?, which is 41 years old. Is there a age restriction?


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As I said earlier if you have not done a degree and you do a BA in acting. As a mature student you would get your fees paid and you apply for a student loan from you Local Education authority.

I feel we have all lost the thread of this listing which was someone asking for advise.

My opinion training is great as you get to act for 3 years or 1 - 2 years on a Post Grad course(which does cost alot, but you can apply for development loans)

My opinion is training gives you a great spring board into the industry especialy seeing as the Rep system really dose not exsist anymore.

If you make a living with or with out training then you are very lucky indeed. As my current director said to me this week

"The one thing I never had to do was work for free."

and as for the spotlight thing my words were "It is being considered"

Anyway good luck to all of you and I for one am leavingthis thread as I think we lost the point.


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The official news about Spotlight is that (according to my agent)..its either recognised training, or a certain level of professional experience.

Sorry if I came across as harsh, I just get sick of the elitism in this business. I think that ultimately, it DOESNT matter how you get your training, the fact is that you need to have some form.

Anyway I have even heard that people wil pass you up for auditions if you havent been to a drama school they like. Its a very 'precious' industry.


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Hi cait
I went to a drama school for 5 years, (feels like hundred years ago now!!) but it does serve you good stead in the industry not for the parts or casting directors, but more the agents..
If you are on a tight budget, find yourself a good amdram society on your local area. Some of them put on very good productions and even though it's not paid, the experience is the same, an audience is an audience and no different, when your up there the stage is yours.
You can learn alot about the technical side of things, custume, props, lighting, sound, stage manangement etc. allsorts. But the good thing is that if the your company is a good one, the local papers do write ups etc. and you can create a good show reel of live performances, and you can use them for agents. Auditions for the shows are the same and alot of old pro's get involved with them.
I will probally cause war with the elitists on the site, but really when your bursting to do it. and there's no other work around. it gives you something to do that is possitive. when you get that buzz of applause from a live audience it gives you a lift and keeps you wanting more...
You can always do singing and dancing lessons seperately all experience is good

Good luck

Lorraine


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Hi Cait
I have a drama degree and after qualifying tried to find an agent. Most agencies (3 out of 4) said they preferred to have people with raw practical experience.

Prior to going to University, I had extensive parctical acting experience having performed in professional theatre shows. However, having spent three years at University, this experience was considered by agencies to be too old to be validated on my CV.

I asked what experience they wanted and they said TIE was a great way to train as an actor because like the official training courses, you're working both on your own initiative and as part of a team in a group-based situation.

You're also practising your devising and improvisational skills in a proper working environmant and interacting with an audience as apposed to just performing in a University course-related situation.

I gained a 2:1 in my degree, but the general consensus from agents I've approached, is that the practical experience of going out and getting work yourself, far outways any official qualifications. And to be honest, it makes sense.

If I could do it all again, I would have kept hold of my money instead of spending thousands on University fees.I would have gone out and gained more practical experience, because at the end of the day, it's whether you're good enough to get the work that counts.

If you feel you need some training and guidence, then join the actors centre. They're based throughout the country and offer courses in all aspects of the performing arts. I'm actually joining myself, to train in stage combat.
It's also a great way to meet industry professionals.

Hope this helps and good luck.


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HI BLAKE

With regards to the Spotlight situation - Is it only graduates from NCDT courses that will be accepted or will I still be elligable to join having obtained my drama degree at a non-NCDT accredited university?
I also have an equity card.


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HI, I am not too sure of all the specifcs but I do know that they are saying RECOGNISED training. I am assuming this means that if you trained somewhere that was legit they will do so. For example, if you trained at university etc I would assume you are taken on.

The best bet is for you to call Spotlight yourslef and ask them. I just know what my agent has told me personally, so I am going with that....


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Sorry to be a wet blanket Anon 36, but even the Actors Centre is going down the road of auditions...I am from SA , have seven years experience, have been a teacher for two and a half years, have worked with people who are recording in SA, and have done clasical theatre, musicals theatre, corporate, etc..I ahd an agent in London, and was a full Equity memebr...had just finished an opera, and they STILL put me on provisional membership as I wasnt at their standard, just cos I went to a school much like the Fame school in NY, where I ahd more than five years of technique drilled into me as opposed to the three years at a drama school in London.

And I can honestly tell you that most casting directors are deeply difficult about who they choose.Many wont touch people from certain drama schools as the schools have a reputation for breeding bolshy, arrogant actors...and from experience I hink the casting directors are careful...even going to RADA nowadays doesnt guarantee you will be a RSC season company memeber. The ropes are changing every day.

I would go to teh Actors centre, but also join teh Actors Temple (www.actorstemple.com) which is free membership, NO audition and all they ask is taht you are a professional. I teach there, and Mark and Ellie, who run the joint, are lovely and NOT intimidating..they hate the negativity of the business etc and most of the peple who go there get sound advice, auditions, get to work with directors in play readings and are really growing.

My advice is to go to people and teachers who make you leave a class feeling you CAN succeed, rather than..'Its so hard.'

I have had to cut down negative students in my classes i teach cos it simply affects everyone else like a cancer. We all know its tough, but we need to support each other. NEVER continue with a teacher who is negative or who doesnt actually build you up. You may leave a class challenged and knowing you need to improve but its done in a way that inspires you to continie, not to feel hopeless or discouraged.


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Thanks for your advice Blake. It's appreciated.


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Have just read the Drama School debate thing and have to agree with alot of what Alistaire is saying. I don't think you do have to go to a Drama school to act professionally but at the infancy of your career it is most definately the best option. To put it bluntly you learn the profession from professionals.
Regardless of how good you are as an actor and how this develops inside of a CDS school I'm a bit suprised that no-one has mentioned the voice training you recieve, this is essential if you want to act on stage. On a three year course you get just enough voice training, on a post grad if you work really hard every day you can pick up the skills needed for training your voice. But it won't be fully developed.
Going for televsion and film revolves around whether you fit the desciption in the casting directors head and whether you can pull off the character thats on the paper in the time that you're given. Going for a six month tour of Shakespeare or a musical or anything that plays to more that 100 people a performance will really begin to hurt if you don't know what your doing with your body. Another classic example of the media induced we live in?


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Have just read the Drama School debate thing and have to agree with alot of what Alistaire is saying. I don't think you do have to go to a Drama school to act professionally but at the infancy of your career it is most definately the best option. To put it bluntly you learn the profession from professionals.
Regardless of how good you are as an actor and how this develops inside of a CDS school I'm a bit suprised that no-one has mentioned the voice training you recieve, this is essential if you want to act on stage. On a three year course you get just enough voice training, on a post grad if you work really hard every day you can pick up the skills needed for training your voice. But it won't be fully developed.
Going for televsion and film revolves around whether you fit the desciption in the casting directors head and whether you can pull off the character thats on the paper in the time that you're given. Going for a six month tour of Shakespeare or a musical or anything that plays to more that 100 people a performance will really begin to hurt if you don't know what your doing with your body. You can see this with every model turned actor that ever tries to grace the stage and the at the moment the americans that are gracing us with their presences in the west end. Poor articulation, bad diction. You can't hear them.
I'd say to any young actor that seriously wanted to do the job, go to a drama school, spend three years or even a year with people that want to do the job. You'll have a hell of a good time and make some friends which will support you in the coming years. Which is essential. It's the only chance you will ever have to play a huge range of characters that are aginst your type and age.
I really don't think you have to go to drama school to be an actor but it sure as hell helps, and in the job we are in you need all the help you can get.


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It all depends on circumstances. I couldnt afford to go to an accredited theatre institution so I had to go to the nearest alternative...I agree that it would be elitist if Spotlights closed their books to 'untrained' actors. Samantha Morton was kicked off her BTEC course at 16 for being too much trouble...now she's been nominated for two oscars with barely any training so? Chloe Sevigny was spotted on the streets. John Malcovich walked onto a film set by accident and ended up starting acting. Jude Law did'nt even go to drama school! etc etc


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