Self Tape request petition

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Anyone agree?

Think Mandy should implement a rule about advertisers not requesting a self-tape on the advert before any shortlisting is done. It is a current and growing trend. While I appreciate it's easier for an employer; it also causes a lot of time wasting. An actors "look" is often the first thing an employer will look at. That's why we all have headshots. If we don't have the right "look" an application is often not looked at, at all. For an actor self-taping takes time and effort - research, learning lines; investigating the script, character analysis etc. This is no problem when an actor knows they have the look an employer is considering and has as good a chance as anyone else but......if we don't have the right "look" in the first place it simply wastes our time.

Tried to send this direct to Mandy - but system only allows 300 characters.

Editorial Comment Hi Aurea,

Thanks for posting. Currently we have a marked increase in the number of jobs requesting self-tapes where they are being used to compensate for the lack of in-person auditions, due to the ongoing situation surrounding Covid-19. It seems likely that this number will go down over the coming months as restrictions are lifted. While we understand this can be frustrating, we do make efforts to mitigate the difficulties they pose. We impose a 2 minute limit on the length of any self-tapes requested, to ensure that what is being requested from actors is not gratuitous in length, and negotiate directly with employers when requests are unreasonably complex or restrictive. You may on occasion see entire scripts linked to job listings, but this is solely for reference rather than for the purpose of self-taping.
If you ever have concerns about the length of a self-tape for a job listing, you can always contact us on emails@mandy.com and we will investigate. The same is true for any feedback as we continue to develop the service over time.
Kind regards,
The Mandy Admin Team

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Jane McKell
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I agree; its a waste of time for us and them. How can they possibly view all of self-tapes submitted! That's what our head shots and show-reels are for! Come on Mandy nip this trend in the bud!
Thank you and best wishes
Jane McKell.


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Jane McKell
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I agree; its a waste of time for us and them. How can they possibly view all of self-tapes submitted! That's what our head shots and show-reels are for! Come on Mandy nip this trend in the bud!
Thank you and best wishes
Jane McKell.


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Toni Brooks
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Good idea Adrian and Rosie.


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Nick Lazar
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Completely agree with everything being said on this thread. I recently replied to a job that had no mention of a self-tape, so obviously didn’t record one. The person that placed the ad then responded with a narky message ranting about how no applications will be considered without the requested self-tape. I pointed out he had neglected to request one in his post, despite his insistence that he had. Then, surprise, surprise he sent a message to everyone who had responded asking for a self-tape, this time providing some actual details, but still worded like he was Jacob Rees-Mogg or something. All for a princely £100. I think some of these clowns think they are Martin Scorsese or the reincarnation of Stanley Kubrick, when it’s just for some cheapskate trying to get actors in a crappy ad for a pittance. Unless the self-tape is something that can be done very quickly, I’ve now taken to replying with something like: ‘If you think my photo fits the role, let me know if you’d like me to record something specific’. But yeah, that’s why we all spend money on headshots and showreels. But yeah, Mandy does attract some utter time wasters masquerading as employers. Perhaps some level of vetting process before someone can place an ad would be worthwhile, rather than the obvious hands-off approach currently taken. How about it Mandy?


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Nice one Nick, Adrian and all!
Some great advice there. I am going to start using your methods.


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Toni Brooks
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As suggested above by many of you, I've started to submit my showreel and say I'll do a self tape if i'm shortlisted. I can only see things changing when the employers see the system isn't working.


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Hi Aurea, Mandy & all,

I don't mind doing self tapes - I'm in the starry-eyed with too much time on my hands category. It does get tricky though running round the room to play all the different parts, especially the crowd scenes.

Aurea is not against self-tapes, but is very sensibly pointing out that those filling roles would serve both themselves and actors well if they applied a "this is essentially what we want for this one" filter to applications, based on CV/photos/showreel, before calling for tapes.

I'd be interested to hear from the horses' mouths why those asking for self-tapes from the get go are doing this and how it is working out for them?

btw - Barca for the Cup!

Jimi


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Izzie Smith
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100% agree! Last week I had 7 self tapes to do and they were all for applications rather than shortlisted roles. Why spend so much time, energy and money on professional headshots and editing showreels of past work when they ask for a self tape on application anyway? It's so time consuming and unnecessary as all they need to see is our physical appearance and acting ability to shortlist us.


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Hiya all.
I heard back from Mandy on 9th April (from Roz who I have previously found very helpful). She has passed it onto the "relevant Site Administrator" and I am waiting to hear. I will be chasing them on the 16th if no response. I don't think we're doomed, but we may have to be gently and politely persistant.......will update when I have some info but rest assured I will not be letting this drop.


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I will start submitting my showreel from now on as well, i will only record a self tape if shortlisted.


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Response from Mandy Customer Servive "Thanks for your email. We appreciate your frustrations with the self tape system and are always happy to take on feedback on our site. Whilst we can't promise any immediate change, we do keep member feedback in mind when developing site features, and we hope to be able revisit this in future."

And my reply
"thanks for getting in contact.

This recent trend of employers asking for a self tape at initial application is not a site feature and I am not asking for a site feature change. So I don't feel your feedback addresses the issue at all.

What I am asking (on behalf of all actors who pay to use this site) is that Mandy has a policy that employers advertising on this platform only request a self tape AFTER they have looked to see whether the actor visually fits the profile of the casting from the initial application.

I would very much appreciate a response to the issue because I feel you have slightly missed the point as detailed above.

I look to hearing from Mandy further."


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Just sent my showreel off on first application for a job rather than the asked for selftape saying that I am more than willing to do one should they think I'm suitable.
Let's see how it goes!! Thanks for everyone who suggested this. I think it's a great idea and gives us back a little bit of control.


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Toni Brooks
Actor

Another one today asking for a self tape for what is a VO job! It beggars belief.


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David Vale
Actor

I have not rejoined this year. For some time it has been touch and go. Compared with Spotlight Mandy is poor value, but I have always (just about) covered the cost.
What has got to me is Mandy's being so utterly unresponsive to their subscribers. This is yet another example. They do not deserve the subscription.


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I totally agree with all the comments here and I'm so pleased someone has raised it. Mandy is actually doing a disservice to their clients because they're not going to get the best calibre of actor - simply the ones that happen to be at home and available to tape. If you are working or not at home when you see a job listing come up that requires a self tape, it's so disheartening to get home and get ready to tape, only to see that the job has been closed because of the amount of applications (and it's exactly the same over on Mandy Voices). The perfect candidate could easily have been shortlisted in a first round. I have started to delete jobs that request a self-tape which is such a shame, and because of this I'm unsure whether I will renew next time.


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If I remember correctly EQUITY were asking for members to submit details to them about their experiences with employers who were asking for self tapes. Not sure if they still want details or if their investigation has come to an end...

It does seem to be getting more and more rediculous - at the beginning of this week I was asked to submit the following: 1 X monologue, 1 X duologue, 1 X song and 1 X dance routine (to be learned from an instructional video)... All of which needed to be returned within 48 hours !!!!! In addition I needed to live in close proximity to the venue and be available for all 97 days of performances. Surprisingly, I failed to get the job.


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I know plenty has already been said on this subject, and I am in complete agreement. I've already said earlier in this thread that I have a general policy of not submitting self-tapes at the first round. Today, I made a very rare exception to that rule (for reasons I'll explain in a minute) only to discover YET ANOTHER REASON why this ridiculous policy isn't in anybody's interest, including the employer's.

First off, I agree with Charlotte - from an employer's perspective, you're not going to be receiving the highest standard of applications because many actors will rule themselves out of a potential time-wasting exercise at the first round, so you've already lost a large percentage of talent, either due to time constraints or choice.

Secondly, today I decided to go ahead and record a self-tape, as requested, at the first round. As the employer was local I felt it would be beneficial, and I knew I was well-suited to the role, so I decided to do a one-take sight-reading of the script (I made it clear in the application it was a sight-reading. On this occasion I already had my recording equipment set up so I was wiling to do one take. I'm not willing to learn a page of script at the initial stage). I then attached the 32 bars of singing they had requested, from footage I already had (I didn't record this specifically, but used existing footage). The total requested video with script and singing was over 2 minutes long.
In this instance, absolutely nobody wins. I uploaded my footage and only the first 2 minutes were attached to the application. So the employer will have received my script, and then an abbreviated version of the first 2 bars of my song, before time ran out. Not only have I wasted my time, but they have not got what they asked for either. How many applications will they watch before they realise their needs aren't met by asking for auditions at the first round, either?!

Mandy seem to think they've done us all a favour by limiting initial auditions to 2 minutes (Mandy, for the millionth time it is NOT THE PLAY TIME OF THE VIDEO that is the issue, but the TIME SPENT LEARNING LINES, EQUIPMENT SET UP, APPROPRIATE CLOTHING, MAKE-UP, FINDING A READER that is the issue, and we cannot afford that time multiple times per day, at the first stage of auditioning... EVERY ACTOR I KNOW is willing to spend that time ON INVITATION but NOT AT THE FIRST ROUND when most of the time it won't even be watched!).

Sorry for shouting. You get my point. ONE ROUND OF CASTING IS NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR BEFORE WE SPEND THE TIME SELF-TAPING FOR APPROPRIATE ROLES!!! I have willingly done 7 minute self-tapes on invitation, when I know I'm appropriate and in the running for a role (especially in times of Covid when self-tapes sometimes replace in-the-room auditions). I don't mind in the slightest, but I'd rather do a few more thorough auditions WHEN INVITED than hundreds of short auditions at first round, that are not appropriate for one reason or another, it's just a waste of time.

Over and out.


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I 100% agree. Thank you Aurea for bringing this point up.
I have been put off applying for roles in the past due to this very reason. I have also noticed these requests on other casting sites as well. I stand with others who will be submitting their showreels on initial submissions.


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Lara Copcutt
Actor

Any update on this?


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