Should We Scrap The Verification Process?

Eden Ford
Actor

Dear Subscribers and would-be Subscribers,
Further to the post entitled Verified Credits I have proposed to Mandy that they allow our input on this part of their otherwise very friendly and intuitive interface.
As this post has appeared Mandy are already showing their truth when they say, the website is built for its members and while no guarantees are given it could be that our decision here will be then implemented by the very people who we pay our subscriptions to, which surely affirms our decision to pay Mandy rather than their competitors.
My feelings on this: The system is not fit for purpose. Therefore serves only to frustrate members that are honest and uses a compliance procedure so porous that it is no way a deterrence to those that wish to deceive.
A furtherment of this is available on the Verified Credits string but what do you think?
Have you found an employer that has referenced your completely verified credits and chosen you over the actor they first chose? Conversely, have you after successfully completing a job, been told they are reshooting as they have found you to have been lying about the details of a student film you said you once did?
Nobody here is getting jobs based on their CV's, perhaps an audition, so you could waste someones five minutes or, and more importantly steal an audition from a better-qualified candidate but then when didn't that happen through nepotism, the friends' ring or the Me2 couch?
End the verification madness now.
Eden


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Eden Ford
Actor

To all readers of this string.
to date, 675 people have looked at this string but only 20 agree with it strongly enough to bother to post even just a Yes or No. Which without getting the calculator out is roughly 3%.
Mandy can then happily inform us that 97% of subscribers either agree or 'don't mind' the imposition of telling their employers, new and old, that they MUST email your masters at Mandy.con and confirm that you were a day player on their film because you are not trustworthy enough (or not talented enough?) for it to be believed, that you have ever actually worked.
I have experience in this, during the nineties, the DSS would pay for you to go to interviews or for us, auditions, as broke as we were, nobody wanted the last memory of the casting director to be us awkwardly asking them to sign a form as we were unemployed (or unemployable).
While it is good to find a valid reason to reconnect with a director, wasting their time and suggesting you are not trustworthy, cannot be the professional way forward.
I have read the unhappiness with the lack of any level of experience needed to be able to give someone £20 a week - I hope that covers why it happens but to be clearer. Mandy is not finite. The Actors Centre is, The Actors Centre has levels of membership because the classes and its space are finite and the cost is quite high to maintain exclusivity. I wish that similar levels of membership, based on experience, paid credits and training, were mandatory at Mandy as they also hopefully are with your agent but Mandy can resell its information ad Infinitum and as a business, owned by a business which has shareholders, has a responsibility to them to do just that.
So we will not be able to change this and that is why aside from the odd advert needing a particular type, you will never even properly pay your rent with the money you can earn from Mandy jobs but you can get a foot on the ladder, you can get great experience and you can start to find your way in a very perverse industry. You will though, be put in the same bag with the same privileges as many who have never trained, have never worked, are perhaps just having a go. That is not your problem, that is for the poor employer who has to wade through the same no-hopers that would send in holiday snaps and handwritten non-CV's to jobs in PCR and The Stage (showing my age). Your job is to stand out from them, you have the training, the experience THE TALENT.
What we can do though is 'tinker around the edges' but we need to work as a collective to achieve this and the start of that would be to "Just Post Yes" on the Scrapping of The Verification Process vote. Then instead of 3% putting YES perhaps an actual majority could be found. We need 60% of people who look, to post. Even if you have never posted and don't like to make a fuss. This is about you and your Honesty your Dignity and your Respect. Let the liars lie, in the end, only ability will fly.
End The Verification Madness Now.
Post Yes.
Eden.


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Alex Harland
Actor

Yes. Scrap verification.


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To ask me to verify all my jobs over the last twenty-five years is ridiculous and plainly impossible. Does this mean that CDs will automatically assume that they are all false? I hope not. Such a requirement just muddies the waters. Scrap it!


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David Toso
Actor

I completely agree that the verification process should be scrapped. When I see "you have 15 unverified credits" I get rather fed up as I would not ask twice for a busy producer to verify I did what I said I did. It is especially annoying when you get a job through Mandy and yet it is still 'unverified' or it is clearly on IMDB as production credit but not on Mandy.


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Conor Litten
Actor

I agree that it should be got rid of, it's next to useless at doing what it's presumably intended to do, and creates unnecessary extra hassle for both the actors and the directors/casting directors/production companies.


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I think you should scrap it too as it is very time consuming. I have spent an age putting in details of the production company etc...for whom I have either done an advert or TV and yet after x amount of years I still have 36 unverified credits. I have not told any untruths . But I am tempted just to delete my credits as it appears unprofessional to have so many unverified... even the ones that are on my showreel!!


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Yes it's time consuming and useless.


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It's really a data gathering exercise to build your database isn't it?


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Vicki Glover
Actor

YES. I completely ignore it anyway, but as you say, it's a pain to keep getting 'you have unverified credits' reminders.


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Yes! Ridiculous feature!


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Neal Higham
Actor

I Think they should keep it. I also think they should require all subscribers to upload time-stamped video of all paid work. In addition to this, casting directors (who, let us face it, have very little to do) must write a short critique of each actor's work to be published here. Finally, jobs will not be verified fully unless a member of the CCP/Mandy team were actually on set at the time of filming and took a DNA sample by way of a finger prick.
So my vote is clearly NO, all of you lying, cheating, subversive wannabe stars must be made to walk across hot coals in order to prove your worth.
D Duck, world leader and despot.


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Eden Ford
Actor

--PLEASE POST YES ON THE SCRAPPING OF THE VERIFICATION PROCESS--
Your YES posts are needed to carry this through and keep this on the top of the forum. Please spread the word, YES posts needed.
End The Verification Madness Now.
Post Yes.*
Eden
*in the interest of fairness you can also post no but please give your reasons because I don't think Shapiro and Cochran could successfully defend this.


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Yup, verification a pretentious waste of time - definitely no 52% - 48% split here...


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yes


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What confused me the most about this whole verification process is that is have seen amateur theatre credits verified, again nothing against amateur theatre, but this is supposed to be a professional actors site. If am-dram can be “verified” what is the point in the system?


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Verification process pointless. Let it go.

p.s. - whilst you are undoing errors, could we also go back to being called Casting Call Pro please.


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Dan Gregory
Actor

So many of those I have worked with in the last 52 years of professional work are sadly no longer able to verify. Foreign postcodes mean you can't verify work outwith the UK. What's the point?


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Olly Hewett
Actor

I would replace it with a rating system. Similar to Amazon or my builder.com. this way both employers and employees get ratings. This, I feel, would be far more useful for all parties to judge who they want to work with! Xx


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Thank you Eden for starting this discussion.

Yes - i believe we should scrap the verification process, primarily for the below reasons:
1) It really is creating unnecessary bother to the CDs - why bother them like this?
2) Some CDs will be too busy to respond to our emails - would this make our unverified credits less valid then against our verified ones?
3) it's offensive to us actors - the majority of us are honest people carving our careers from our hard graft... The verification process is basically asking us "So did you really really - like REALLY - do this job?"


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Oliver - *any* rating system would embrace many (if not all) the problems that have been flagged up in this thread.


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